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Stihl 250 or 251,241 or 261 or Dolmar 421

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Yes any dealer worth a ...... will let you run the saw in wood. I have even taken a log with me to cut on before. If they won't let you try it out do you think they actually care about your satisfaction? Some saw shops have demo modles of popular models. The dealer I go to puts a tank through each saw before it hits the shelf. They say by doing it that way gives them the insurance they are giving their customers a good saw and ready to go to work right out of the door.
I would bet if my dealer sold stihls I would not have a dolmar. However he used to sell stihl and is now selling Dolmar's.
 
Option c sell the 660 buy a dolmar 6100, (I took out a truckload yesterday with it) and grab a rear handle 192 and you will have an almost perfect set up.
You could be like me. Lol
 
KG441c said:
Never said I havent built a few myself !! Lol!!
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But you posted a list of mod gods that would build a saw that would last and out-cut a stock saw in your post above... never a turd shall be built, or some such, even though some in that same list have admitted to me to having built turds. Some of the better builders in that list, actually.
 
windthrown said:
But you posted a list of mod gods that would build a saw that would last and out-cut a stock saw in your post above... never a turd shall be built, or some such, even though some in that same list have admitted to me to having built turds. Some of the better builders in that list, actually.
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Nope. Wont agree with u on that one and I believe u r 100% wrong. Everyone of thoso guys have built enough saws that they know the numbers to put in them to make it sing. I say this because everyone of them have helped me understand and learn porting and Ive used their methods and techniques to port my own saws. Im sure everyone of them have built turds along the way learning but I can tell u for 100% sure they all have quality and peformance in porting figured out. Ive ran saws from everyone of them and know how each builder builds and how they run and the style of port and attitude their saws have in them. Still if I am not sure on a certain saw I contact one of them and get the correct #s and dos and donts. All I can say is if yall have had bad experiences with ported saws undoubtedly the porters yall r using r saw hacks? Less performance and less dependable arent factors in the saws of thoso builders I mentioned. I know everyone of thoso builders well enough to know if they build a saw and ruin it or make it a turd they would do whatever it took to make it right. U arent giving thoso guys that have businesses and reputations on the line enough credit and that they would be honest with their work. Do u think Randy would send a saw out that was a turd and have people talking and downing his busniess? I can anwser that as I know he wouldnt
 
KG441c said:
Nope. Wont agree with u on that one and I believe u r 100% wrong. Everyone of thoso guys have built enough saws that they know the numbers to put in them to make it sing. I say this because everyone of them have helped me understand and learn porting and Ive used their methods and techniques to port my own saws. Im sure everyone of them have built turds along the way learning but I can tell u for 100% sure they all have quality and peformance in porting figured out. Ive ran saws from everyone of them and know how each builder builds and how they run and the style of port and attitude their saws have in them. Still if I am not sure on a certain saw I contact one of them and get the correct #s and dos and donts. All I can say is if yall have had bad experiences with ported saws undoubtedly the porters yall r using r saw hacks? Less performance and less dependable arent factors in the saws of thoso builders I mentioned. I know everyone of thoso builders well enough to know if they build a saw and ruin it or make it a turd they would do whatever it took to make it right. U arent giving thoso guys that have businesses and reputations on the line enough credit and that they would be honest with their work. Do u think Randy would send a saw out that was a turd and have people talking and downing his busniess? I can anwser that as I know he wouldnt
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Such devout blind loyalty. Deny it all you want. Randy at least has admitted he has messed up saws. Believe it or not. I also believe that Brad does not really understand what he is doing. He refutes what the engineers that designed these saws say, even when I posted direct information from them here. These modders are not gods, nor are the infallible. I have seen and also run many of their saws (from your list of modders here, as well as others who IMO can port a saw better than most of them can). Some ported saws work well, but some ported saws do not. You want to put them on a pedestal and make such broad sweeping bogus claims that you know what each and every one of them does to the level that you say here, and I say you are completely full of BS, buddy. I would go further to classify you as a complete fool.

But I am used to blind loyalty and the types of people that you typify. I worked in a failure analysis lab in San Diego for 3 years and I saw all kinds of failures result from so-called bullet-proof technology. I am also a multiple degreed engineer with 20 some odd years of experience in design and development of all kinds of products, and I would never, ever make a statement like the one you have made here, with such certainty, about such a broad group of un- or undereducated people. Nothing is ever 100% bud. Nothing. They are not infallible. They are also not restricted by regulations, they have no warranty policy, they have no oversight, and in most cases what they do is illegal. But do not let me stop your illusion of reality, or your devout loyalty to the mod gods. It seems to be a religion to you.
 
windthrown said:
Such devout blind loyalty. Deny it all you want. Randy at least has admitted he has messed up saws. Believe it or not. I also believe that Brad does not really understand what he is doing. He refutes what the engineers that designed these saws say, even when I posted direct information from them here. These modders are not gods, nor are the infallible. I have seen and also run many of their saws (from your list of modders here, as well as others who IMO can port a saw better than most of them can). Some ported saws work well, but some ported saws do not. You want to put them on a pedestal and make such broad sweeping bogus claims that you know what each and every one of them does to the level that you say here, and I say you are completely full of BS, buddy. I would go further to classify you as a complete fool.

But I am used to blind loyalty and the types of people that you typify. I worked in a failure analysis lab in San Diego for 3 years and I saw all kinds of failures result from so-called bullet-proof technology. I am also a multiple degreed engineer with 20 some odd years of experience in design and development of all kinds of products, and I would never, ever make a statement like the one you have made here, with such certainty, about such a broad group of un- or undereducated people. Nothing is ever 100% bud. Nothing. They are not infallible. They are also not restricted by regulations, they have no warranty policy, they have no oversight, and in most cases what they do is illegal. But do not let me stop your illusion of reality, or your devout loyalty to the mod gods. It seems to be a religion to you.
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Wooohw there tex, just because someone has been educated in a non-formal way, does NOT mean they aren't educated, nor should their education be so lightly dismissed.

I may not know all the in's and out's or mechanics. But I bet when KG441C said that these saw porting dudes "never make a turd" he ment something like they make a proportionally smaller number of turds than Stihl/Husky/name you major manufacturer, make coming right off the assembly line.
 
I think a large portion of this problem is semantics, and ..... non-engineers being to loose with some of their word choices/phrasing, and the engineer(s) being too exerting in their prasision (bah humbug on spelling)
 
I do try and buy a saw that fits my needs. I don't want to have to buy a saw then spend more money and have a saw built to fit my needs. Although having a hot rod is fun but we all know they are not best for trips back and forth across the country.
For storm clean up , if your saw breaks you are not going to find a shop with any free time to fix your saw or get you parts if needed. That is why the 421 is a great choice very reliable and easy enough to work on any small engine guy / back yard mechanic can work on it.
 
CoreyB said:
I do try and buy a saw that fits my needs. I don't want to have to buy a saw then spend more money and have a saw built to fit my needs. Although having a hot rod is fun but we all know they are not best for trips back and forth across the country.
For storm clean up , if your saw breaks you are not going to find a shop with any free time to fix your saw or get you parts if needed. That is why the 421 is a great choice very reliable and easy enough to work on any small engine guy / back yard mechanic can work on it.
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And the MS241 and MS261 are not simple enough for everyone to work on?
 

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