10.50 per gallon
Ethanol Free Gas?
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Abbeville TSI
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I buy 89 octane E0 at a farm store 14 miles away. works better than the local E10 fuels. I mix it 50:1 with Echo Red Armor. My 2 strokes run better on the Red Armor than they did on the Stihl silver bottle stuff.
All I need. Since prices went up its 5. Plus this VP oil.
Check your options on e-free stations online at puregas.com https://www.pure-gas.org/
Check your options on e-free stations online at puregas.com https://www.pure-gas.org/
Have any boat marinas near you? They sell non ethanol gasoline. How many gallons of gas do you use in small engines every year? Anything above 89 octane is not necessary, lack of ethanol is the key, how much you use yearly will determine the most logical method of purchase.
MAWoodsman
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You lost me here bud.
Sorry about that the cost per gallon of my post
Smitty Smithsonite
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It's not any health issues I'm worried about. Running anything outdoors isn't going to be that big of a factor on my health (I have asthma, too). The main concern is lead fouling of the exhaust port, piston crown, transfer ports, and spark plug. Additional maintenance I don't want to deal with when I can just travel a few extra miles and get lead-free E0. You can run TCP to avoid the lead fouling issues, but that stuff is $70 a quart last I checked. It goes a long way, but still - E0 is cheaper, AND has none of those issues. I can keep E0 in decent condition for over 3 years in my air tight barrel.
Yeah Stuart's premium is where I get E0 when I'm in NY. I didn't know they were in VT, though! I appreciate the info on that! Good to know.
Tomos770
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It is best you can get.....use it for regular use!
Buy a can of canned fuel just to winterize (it will last you a long time that way)
Just my 50c
MEKinOL
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Ethanol is NOT the problem with modern fuels. It is just alcohol. The other chemicals in the fuel IS THE ISSUE. Ethanol is just a simple easy target. Look into the content of fuel. I’ll post chemical breakdown graphs if any one wants to offer a counterpoint. Ethanol is not what kills our mini carbs. PERIOD.
Reckon I'd like to see the graphs. I've never had a problem from ethanol gas myself.
MEKinOL
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Ethanol in fuel makes moisture combine with the Petrochemicals. And then gets burned off. Aka. Dry gas. . . Boats use ethanol free fuel BECAUSE THEY HAVE WATER SEPARATORS. Diesels the same. Ethanol is not the problem with our small engines. I fix as many small engines drinking the preciousness fuel as all regulars.
Smitty Smithsonite
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Ethanol LOVES water. It continuously absorbs it from the air around it, until it can no longer hold it, at which time the alcohol/water mix falls to the bottom of your fuel tank, right where your carburetor feed is. It corrodes metal tanks, and corrodes carburetor components. It can also result in a lean fuel mixture that'll melt engines down when users aren't aware of the signs. That to me IS a BIG problem.
A hydroscopic fluid should NOT be part of our gasoline!
A hydroscopic fluid should NOT be part of our gasoline!
Lead does not foul a two stroke much if at all.It's not any health issues I'm worried about. Running anything outdoors isn't going to be that big of a factor on my health (I have asthma, too). The main concern is lead fouling of the exhaust port, piston crown, transfer ports, and spark plug. Additional maintenance I don't want to deal with when I can just travel a few extra miles and get lead-free E0. You can run TCP to avoid the lead fouling issues, but that stuff is $70 a quart last I checked. It goes a long way, but still - E0 is cheaper, AND has none of those issues. I can keep E0 in decent condition for over 3 years in my air tight barrel.
Yeah Stuart's premium is where I get E0 when I'm in NY. I didn't know they were in VT, though! I appreciate the info on that! Good to know.
It is terrible for your health, even when used outside in a chainsaw.
I always mix my fuel using 90+ octane ever since I priced the pre-mixed stuff. The pre-mix was $24 a gallon and doubt if my stuff runs any better on it than the fuel I mix. The oil is getting a little pricey also..
thomasinvancouver
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If it’s not from it’s own dedicated nozzle, pump a few gallons into the car before pumping it into your gas can.
Pwhite42
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I go to the Sunoco in Keene on Winchester St for E-0 when I have other business up there. Going today.
Right now I can buy E0 90 octane for less than E15 mid grade by almost 10 cents a gallon at my local Shell station.
ihookem
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I also have never had a problem with E10. I have run it for as long as we had it in Wisconsin and thta likely is going on 25 yrs. I let it sit for months , and no problems, EVER. Everyone sais it absorbs water. It cant absorb water if you fill a gas can full and seal it. There will be no water in it and likely none in the gas. I ran a Stihl trimmer since 2005 and I just had to put a new carb on it. Some may say I woudl not have had the problem had I used non Ethonal, I suppose thats possible, however, I suspect had I used non eth. 90 octane, would I still have a carb problem. Truth is , I should have emptied it every fall , or even every time I am done using it. Cant blame the ethonal I guess. If there is a question on how old the E10 is, I put the little bit in my car. Ga sis $4.00 here again, and a 2 oz. dose of Amsoil Saber at $12.50 qt. brings it up another .80 cents. So, I am still under 5 bucks a gallon. At $20 a gallon for the canned stuff does not make a bit of sense to me to pay an extra $15 a gallon more for a gallon of gas. I can however run the non eth. 90 octane for about $6.00 a gallon with the mix in it. Still , not bad . I car run my Stihll 441 a LONG time on a gallon of gas . It took about 3 or 4 gallons to cut 21 face cords,,,, or 7 cords and used 4 different saw to do it.. (Those Echos use more gas than my Stihls by the way.) If I am done cutting wood, I can put it right into the wood splitter cause splitting comes next. If I have some when done splitting, the trimmer is next. . Even after several months the gas is fine. Keep the caps on tight and in a dry spot and you will likely never get water in your gas. Now, the next thing I am told is there is water in the gas already. No there isn't, or so little it willl never matter . I had a diesel that ran like crap. I told the gas station owner there is water in the diesel . He quickly said, there is not water in my diesel. They have has sensors in the tanks that will light up if there is. Also, like one poster said, people think they are getting non E and they are not getting non E. if there is not a seperate hose. for all 3 grades. I know full well if the last dude, or chick filled with E10, the next gallon will have some E10 in it.
Leaded gas isn’t the devil. Heck, if I remember correctly there was a time when that’s all we used in everything. But the govt has done a bang-up job of protecting us from developmental issues.
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Any power equipment that has a vented fuel system is susceptible to fuel phase separation when using ethonal fuel especially in spring and fall with the wide temperature swings. Tank and fuel cools at night sucks in air during the day it warms and vents this cycle happens over and over . It's not a problem in new cars as the system is sealed to outside air. All my carbed vehicles get non ethonal as does all my power equipment .
