Extreme lean + heavy on lean side + heart rot . . .

[pdqdl]

For having a thick hide, you seem to have scratched a festering hole going after a little thorn.

So true!

Not festering, but I keep pulling it out, and it keeps coming back. Maybe we got that problem solved now.

 

[TexasTimbers]

I didn't think anybody harvested boxelders. I thought they were worthless.

It is considered a trash tree here too, but I have 52 acres of the best on the planet. I send it all over the planet as well. I don't know if links are allowed here I think they are not but if you do a search for flame boxelder my site comes up at the top page one - my wife holding Hilda (my 372XP) in front of a trailer lod of them.

Anyway yes I do cut them as you described and as I described in my OP which I believe are essentially the same way.

 

[RandyMac]

So true!

Not festering, but I keep pulling it out, and it keeps coming back. Maybe we got that problem solved now.

Yeah, removing yourself from Himalaya patch for a start.

 

[Pelorus]

I wanna confess that I got tired reading this thread last night. (I was tired from work - it's not the thread that sacked me)
I plunked down in the Lazy Boy, and fell asleep for awhile, then woke up, and went to bed.
When I checked the 'puter this morning, lo & behold this darn thread was still on the screen. Go figure.
This has got to happened to others of youse, or is it just me?

 

[TexasTimbers]

I wanna confess that I got tired reading this thread last night. (I was tired from work - it's not the thread that sacked me)
I plunked down in the Lazy Boy, and fell asleep for awhile, then woke up, and went to bed.
When I checked the 'puter this morning, lo & behold this darn thread was still on the screen. Go figure.
This has got to happened to others of youse, or is it just me?

I don't like the bickering. That's why I have so few posts here. I scan the churlish posts and read, and re-read the posts that actually have the meat and bones. It's a great forum with many fine members. And also a lot of small penises trying to be big ones. I guess it's a reflection of reality so that's how I deal with it, same as I would in person. Discretion is the better part of valor and that is largely forgotten by a small percentage on forums it seems.

 

[Pelorus]

Don Blair (or somebody else - maybe GB) said that the hardest day climbin' is easier than the easiest day of logging.
I get plenty tired enough from climbing, so I ain't about to take a poke at no loggers on this forum.

 

[Gologit]

Don Blair (or somebody else - maybe GB) said that the hardest day climbin' is easier than the easiest day of logging.
I get plenty tired enough from climbing, so I ain't about to take a poke at no loggers on this forum.

Yeah, logging is rough sometimes. But...if we fall down we're pretty close to the ground. You guys, on the other hand.....

 

[northmanlogging]

well, normally the people that hang out it forestry and logging don't get to uppity...so stick around just realize that 90% of the snide comments are just that snide comments, as for the heavy leaner thing when I first started falling as more than a fire wood hack I was taught to face cut the leaners as deep as possible and back em up as fast as possible... have since learned that taking the green wood out of the sides kinda like a fat square coos bay helps a bit too. The thing is there is as many ways to fall any one tree as there are fallers, we all do it differently we all see it at a different angle...and each and every tree is different. But the one thing I allways do when falling is start the day with a full tank, keep a sharp chain on the saw, have at least 2 wedges, and somthing to beat em with, and last but knot least wear a hard hat

 

[Gologit]

well, normally the people that hang out it forestry and logging don't get to uppity...so stick around just realize that 90% of the snide comments are just that snide comments, as for the heavy leaner thing when I first started falling as more than a fire wood hack I was taught to face cut the leaners as deep as possible and back em up as fast as possible... have since learned that taking the green wood out of the sides kinda like a fat square coos bay helps a bit too. The thing is there is as many ways to fall any one tree as there are fallers, we all do it differently we all see it at a different angle...and each and every tree is different. But the one thing I allways do when falling is start the day with a full tank, keep a sharp chain on the saw, have at least 2 wedges, and somthing to beat em with, and last but knot least wear a hard hat

Are you falling full time?

 

[northmanlogging]

kinda? weakends... as a side line, but its more fall a few, yard a few, fall some more, break down, go back to machining on monday and try again on friday...

 

[tramp bushler]

Don't tell me , the Maineacks are insisting they are right and berating everyone else.

 

[tramp bushler]

Don Blair (or somebody else - maybe GB) said that the hardest day climbin' is easier than the easiest day of logging.
I get plenty tired enough from climbing, so I ain't about to take a poke at no loggers on this forum.

Pelorus, don't believe it for a second. I've done lots of both. The only thing harder than wedging big spruce up out of a crik bottom is climbing a big cobby spruce.
Take a Sitka spruce , a big limby one and climb it 150-180' up and top it with a belt and spurs. Thats about all your gonna want to do that day !!
No doubt other big conifers are just as tough.

 

[056kid]

Hootery spruce can suck my unit.

 

[056kid]

Lets all get together, say what we feel like saying, and beat the tar out of each other if we don't like what gets said. Anyone??

It could be an annual thing, plus words have so much more meaning when they come from someone who has stomped your leaking knocked out face into the deck.

 

[mile9socounty]

Dont forget to bring the whiskey or scotch.

 

[Gologit]

Lets all get together, say what we feel like saying, and beat the tar out of each other if we don't like what gets said. Anyone??

It could be an annual thing, plus words have so much more meaning when they come from someone who has stomped your leaking knocked out face into the deck.

How's your head, Ted?

 

[Eccentric]

Agree to disagree? Sure, why not. There's really no point in arguing with you.

But if you post something idiotic somebody is certain to call you on it. Might be me.

And...I'm not "trying to ruin" anything for you. I offered you a job. A real job where you could learn something that might stand you in good stead. You chose not to take it. I won't bother to ask you again.

And am I still on the Christmas card list...or not?

You're on my Christmas Card list Bob.........................and you're a hell of a lot more patient than I am. Heck I'm just happy to be able to know enough about a subject (Bob's patience in this case) to post in the F&L forum! So far I've only been able to post in the old equipment threads. I did use the 'triangle' cut with success (only tried it once so far.......and it worked). I've cut grass too. Lots of grass. Now back to lurking.

 

[RandyMac]

You would make a good bucker Aaron.

 

[Eccentric]

You would make a good bucker Aaron.

I'll take that as a compliment Randy.

 

[bitzer]

It's good to see that most of us big, strong, handsome men (speaking for myself) have enough cultural refinement to be able to sit down together and have a gentlemanly discussion over tea and crumpets, about the finer points of a CB cut. The rest of you troglodytes can get in line so's I can whomp you with a knotted plow line. :msp_lol:

Jokes aside, I appreciate the discussion here and have learned a great deal from the descriptions. I have been a member here quite a while but have not posted much - most of it being in the chainsaw forum. I believe this was my first foray into the F & L forum, though I stand to be corrected.

The most interesting thing I think I have learned from this thread is the various versions of the CB cut. Until I read this thread, I would have said the the "T" with a slight face cut would be "safer" because it appears that it would add stability against any sideways lean. But then it could be argued that if the lean is read properly there shouldn't be enough side lean to matter - or if there were a little then wedging would take care of. When I saw the diagram of the "strip" version I thought to myself that I wouldn't use that if the tree were quite hollow, but then I wouldn't use a CB cut at all if it were hollow - would I?

That was a question gys not a statement. I have felled several thousands of trees over the past 8 years but 95% have been small by logging standards. Of those 95%, probably 80% of those have been flame boxelder trees less than 80' tall and most less than 60' tall with DBH of 16" to 34". But virtually all of them have lean of varying degree. They simply do not grow very straight in the patch where I harvest them. So while I have a lot of experience dropping leaners and am comfortable (not "reckless" comfortable) doing so, they are relatively small. What makes them dangerous is that as they start getting past the 28ish" DBH they tend to get real punky at least if not downright hollow all the way from the first forks to the stump, so I have dealt with numerous barber chairs with this species. I wrap the bigger ones with chain but the smaller ones I read the lean carefully and use a long bar to cut the holding wood. I've had quite some unforeseen close calls logging as we all have but never with a barber chair. Knock on wood I've never been caught off guard from one that I hadn't already thought "this one might barber on me". On the larger ones I do wrap them.

All that said, my question now is given the scenario of a ~34" tree with significant lean, significant heart rot, but with the lean easy to read accurately (all these FBE trees are easy to read the lean), what is the proper cut for this situation. I guess that would start a controversy let me rephrase the question, what cut would you use in this scenario. I *do* realize there are many other factors to consider when falling a tree, but with this basic info as a starting point what cut would you think you'd consider first?

I'll get you a pic by Monday or Tuesday pulling some big rotten sonof##### way beyond the limits of what the wood intended. Logging in a swamp that has not been cut in his lifetime (proclaimed by the 80 year old farmer who was born there) presents its challenges.

I too have cut many thousands of boxelders. Biggest was 50" on the stump. Maybe 80' tall. Thats how I got started years ago. Cutting the uglies.

The chair is caused by a stall at the stump.