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I'm so glad she made it home. Now she can make me some waffles.
Fair warnin' to y'all
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I'm so glad she made it home. Now she can make me some waffles.
Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
And I think you are arrogant for pretending to know what I think - especially based on your faulty assumptions of things which you could not know, such as my driving too fast for conditions, etc. But you go ahead and believe what you wish. I'm certainly guilty of not giving a crap about that.
Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
You would join me in that ditch, and wish you had not.
Overclock
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Do not be hijackin' this Spider thread or you may wish you had stayed in bed.
Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
You certainly talk pretty tough on the internet Brush Ape - that's two posts with threats you have no way to back up.
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Are you the woodsman?
Trx250r180
Saw polisher
I bet that car had the girls hanging all over you in school
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I bet that car had the girls hanging all over you in school
Ya their Grandmas.
No... here's the reality check...
You don't need 4WD, a little front wheel drive, decent tires, or a manual transmission to get around in a couple inches of snow. The truth is I'd rather have rear wheel drive over front wheel drive in any amount of snow... heck, in any sort of driving conditions. Every time I drive a front wheel drive in snow, on ice, or even on wet pavement I'm the one terrified, when/if those front wheels break loose you lose 100% control of the vehicle... now that's friggin' absurd‼ Front wheel drive ain't an asset in snow, it's a liability... unless you don't know how to drive, then it's a band-aid fix for ignorance. Driving is controlling both ends of the vehicle... both ends, 100% of the time... the rears are controlled by the throttle and brakes, the fronts by the steering wheel and brakes.
My first 20-25 years of driving... including winter driving... was in 60s and early 70s vintage rear wheel drive cars, running bias ply tires, and many of them near as bald as a cue ball. I don't remember ever not making it to and from school, to and from work, to and from where-the-hell-ever. My first car was a 1966 V8 Mustang running bias ply tires... my birthday is in January... meaning I got my drivers license in mid-friggin'-winter... and I drove that car every friggin' day, snow or no snow.
And if ya' really wanna' see terrified, put me in one of those "tiny 1500cc front wheel drive" pieces of crap. Christ, if I hit a turtle crossin' the road the damn car is likely to disintegrate. And don't argue that with me either; I managed and ran the body shop of or dealership for over 20 years... those "tiny" friggin' pieces of crap are death traps. That's one reason my daughter is driving a full-size rear wheel drive car... the other reason is so she actually knows how to drive.
A little front wheel drive vehicle with decent tires and a manual transmission... my azz‼
Yeah, maybe if ya' have no friggin' clue how to drive... but if you do know how, the last thing you'd drive is "tiny" front wheel drive piece of crap. I'd run circles around you with the '73 family truckster... period‼
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brenndatomu
Hey you woodchucks, quit chucking my wood!
Yah, and wasn't worth pullin out if ya ever did get 'er stuck! Well, on second thought, some good times were had back in the day in a buddys 2 door straight 6 auto trans Fairmont. Exhaust was fallin off, crusin down the road, cut the ignition off, pump the heck outta the gas pedal, ignition back on....KAWHOOM!!! Could feel the heat and percussion through the floorboard
It was best at night, could see the fireball in the mirrors...never could figure out why the trunk smelled like burnt carpet? Yet another dumb thing I lived through...stihly dan
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Because you were doing out of control 360's?? 
Overclock
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Mine never got stuck because we were about six miles off the ground.
Ever do the flame thrower thing... manual choke and spark plugs in the tail pipes??
It worked best with headers and straight pipes... you could literally "light-up" the world behind you.
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brenndatomu
Hey you woodchucks, quit chucking my wood!
Seen it done, big fun!
Man, modern kids have no idea what they are missing with their shiny new EFI-auto-anti everything cars!
It's kinda sad, there are a lot more new cars in the student side of the local high school parking lot than on the teachers side. Weren't that way when I were there...looked more like we all shopped at Rusty Clunkers used car Emporium! Only used cars you see now are the "tuners" and the diesel trucks with 6" chrome stacks blowin $3.50+ per gallon (still!) diesel up in black smoke! EEEEH HAAWWWW YA'LLL!!! lemmings
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UMMM.... HMMMMM.... I'm not sure I really want to jump back in here but what the hell. I noticed the mention of bias tires a couple times. Oh spidey get over it..... Nobody is gonna change tires with the seasons. Or at least not very many... Why would you??? A decent set or radials will get you 50+K miles without a hitch. I'm not arguing if bias works. I'm just saying that switchin out for winter would be a pain. Hell spidey don't get me wrong cause I'm as anti advancement as you are but I have seen where SOME things have actually helped. (front wheel drive gets around in moderate snow better) (radial tires ride better and last longer) (todays engines run better and longer than the old stuff) (ya I hate all the techno bs we have today but it really does work)It works because of a work smarter not harder idealogic. (is idealogic a word???)
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About 20 years ago I helped build a 2wd Datsun truck for a "tough truck" competition. Shortened wheelbase, 14" ag rear tires, auxilliary springs on the front... fun little truck. We turned the exhaust manifold upside down and let the pipe exit through the hood. Just for fun I put a spark plug in the pipe, added an aux ignition module to drive it, routed propane to the exhaust, and built a 3" diameter "blowtorch" tip. When we fired it up inside the stadium the flames were 4 feet high and the whole place shook like an out of tune oil burner in the basement of an old farmhouse. The place roared and rumbled for about two minutes until the fitting on the tiny propane tank froze up. We got plenty of cheers outta that one. That little truck earned us 3rd place and beat out two serious teams that had competition trucks they ran in the southwest. What can I say? Front brakes only, two spinning rear wheels, wheelbase like a Farmall 300 and a capable driver make for some quick, tight turns compared to a 4wd truck. I got the biggest kick out of our driver spraying mud and dirt at the professional monster trucks. The pro drivers were scurrying for cover! Yee-haw!
Then there's the story about blowing the muffler off the dealership shop truck while showing the shop kid how to do a "real" backfire. (turn off key in gear, decel to draw fuel, then open throttle so low vacuum causes diverter valve to open and force air into exhaust with fuel, then hit key) The bang and resulting loss of exhaust were exciting, but watching that poor old lady dump her bag of groceries just topped it off. I understand that it's not funny. But it seemed like it at the time.
Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
So was mine - 289 4V and an automatic. It was hopelessly pathetic even with snows, although I drove it everywhere too for 4 to 5 years.
Because you have no ability to control your right foot? Google "traction circle". If you're putting out too much power for the available traction, then the tire spins - amazingly, you can tell that, and it's actually possible to reduce the throttle.
Bull. I rode an '86 Escort GT to hell. That thing took a hit in the worst possible location - an oblique left front impact while I was doing at least 70mph and a car (a Buick wagon) came across the median of a divided highway. It actually held up pretty well even though the passenger compartment was narrower than my present car. If the door arm rest had been better designed I'd probably still have a left kidney.
My present Accent is 16 years old, and been smacked a few times, including hitting a deer (which are bigger than turtles here in PA). It's a tough, strong chassis. You fear what you do not know, but that is a pattern for you.
I have some idea how it's done, and I'll take the front wheel drive over a front engined, rear wheel drive in the snow any day. I've had plenty of both and I'd laugh at you trying to keep up. I don't even have snows on mine, although we did put 4 full snows on my Wife's last KIA (also a manual) - it was a hoot in the snow.
We had a '94 Nissan Altima SE with front wheel drive, a manual trans and a Torsen limited slip diff up front. That thing was incredible in snow - I watched a guy spin his lifted pickup on the highway trying to keep up with me.
UMMM.... HMMMMM.... That weren't what I was talkin' 'bout in this thread.
I was talkin' 'bout cars never designed for radial tires... cars runnin' those bias ply, semi-smooth, saw-tooth tread, street tires. The early radials in this country (the radials of the '70) drove and handled like crap on cars without the (so called) "radial tuned suspension"... and they wore-out in just a few thousand miles also. It was the late '70s before "radial tuned suspension" became common on cars coming out'a Detroit... if you drove a '60s or early '70s car, especially anything with horsepower, you flat couldn't run those early radials on 'em unless you wanted to drive 25 MPH. It was late '80s/early '90s before US tire makers produced anything "radial" that would perform on those non-radial tuned suspensions.
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Traction circle?? LMFAO‼
I've run more races than you've seen... heck, I've won more just on ice than you've seen on any surface.
Chris... you're full'a crap.
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