Yeah I meant to specify chainsaw models, I can't speak to things like blowers and such where Echo may well make something better. Of course, at the very top of the line of their chainsaw models, I get the impression Echo does make a massive brute of a 116cc pro saw that matches up to the 881 or the 3120, with their CS-1201 but it's not sold in America. And costs just as much as the competition. To each their own what people want to use and what works for their budget and situation, but "you get what you pay for" never changes on the cheap end of things.one place Echo stands out is the 9010 backpack blower. I have a 580bts and now the Echo and a honest 25% better would be easily said running them back to back. A good friend has the big Stihl and same thing the Echo is a bunch ahead in power. As far as the China junk, NOPE. I am having enough issues with Lithium batterys from them. And this is using their top of the line batteries. At least these manufactures stand behind them. not so much for most of the chinese ones. CJ