Firewood Showdown: MAC 10-10 A vs. STIHL MS290

[roostersgt]

Your scale seems to dispute every website that lists factory weights for that saw. They all say 15.7 or 15.6 pounds. Yours might be missing something? The only number I got wrong was a 290 is 56.5 cc, not 59cc. None of this was made up. Can't find the hp link at this moment for the Mac, but it was 3.5, whereas the 290 is 3.8hp.


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[Modifiedmark]

Your scale seems to dispute every website that lists factory weights for that saw. They all say 15.7 or 15.6 pounds. Yours might be missing something? The only number I got wrong was a 290 is 56.5 cc, not 59cc. None of this was made up. Can't find the hp link at this moment for the Mac, but it was 3.5, whereas the 290 is 3.8hp.


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Mine might be missing something?

Sorry it is what it is and thats why I take the time to weigh them, so I can see for myself, as "I" dont take everything I read on the internet as gospel.

 

[Michigan Muscle]

Where are you getting your info from? Its way off. BTW I have no doubt a good 10-10 would hand a 290 its hind end back to it.

Look closely at the scales, the Mac is 13.1 lbs while the 290 is 13lb 8oz so that makes the 10-10 quite a bit lighter.

Aren't you the man, Mark.

 

[redheadwoodshed]

Your scale seems to dispute every website that lists factory weights for that saw. They all say 15.7 or 15.6 pounds. Yours might be missing something? The only number I got wrong was a 290 is 56.5 cc, not 59cc. None of this was made up. Can't find the hp link at this moment for the Mac, but it was 3.5, whereas the 290 is 3.8hp.


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The saw you linked on e-how is not even the saw the OP used.That's the Pro-Mac 10-10, he ran the 10-10A.There are no less than 12 variations of that saw.I have a 10-10s that's 57cc.They were built from '67 all the way up to '98.I wouldn't suggest you made n one of this up, but you sure get your info from the wrong place(e-how).Mac does list the weight as 15.6 and Stihl does list the 290 at 13 pounds, but Mark put both saws on the same scale and it disagrees with both, so somebody is wrong.I'll take the scales word for it over the factory specs.But you feel free not to.If I were you I would never own another Mac again.In fact you should get rid of that little Homelite.

 

[roostersgt]

?????? Just posting what is listed as the weight of the saws. Not really worth pissin' about. I'm way too old for that kind of sillyness.

 

[RandyMac]

The Acres site lists almost all the 10 series, regardless of model, including gear-drives and electric starts at 15.6 pounds, That site is very good, but not always accurate.
It is interesting that a metal case saw weights less than a plastic one.
You want to talk about max bar length?

 

[Brian13]

I only have about 10 mins run time on a 290 I rebuilt for a friend so my opinion dosnt mean much. I really was not impressed with it at all, just feels cheap. As far as new vs old a better comparison might be the 10-10 vs. a 026. I think that would be an interesting comparison, +/_ 40 year old pro saw against a modern pro saw. Either way, I didnt think much of the 10-10s until I got one and got it running. Now I am not really sure why they are not still being made.

 

[redheadwoodshed]

?????? Just posting what is listed as the weight of the saws. Not really worth pissin' about. I'm way too old for that kind of sillyness.

I agree, not worth pissing about.I see you must be coming to the realization that orange plastic doesn't mean it's better than faded yellow magnesium.Or blue or red or that pretty lime green.And faster is not always faster and everything is not always what it's says it is.You may be getting somewhere now.:msp_wink:

 

[homelitejim]

The 10-10A was never a PRO saw, it was a home owner saw. The SP55 and similar saws were the pro saw of the series, with decompression valves and chain brakes.

 

[redheadwoodshed]

The 10-10A was never a PRO saw, it was a home owner saw. The SP55 and similar saws were the pro saw of the series, with decompression valves and chain brakes.

I don't know about the 10-10A but I have a 10-10S with a chainbrake and decomp. valve a pro-mac 10-10 with a brake but no decomp.It looks like Mac liked to have a big variety of the same thing.I'd like to see all the 10-10 series together.Bet there wouldn't be a lot of difference.

 

[Modifiedmark]

You want to talk about max bar length?

I will.

Are we talking midwest hardwood or that soft stuff you guys have out there that you guys call wood?

 

[Eccentric]

Your scale seems to dispute every website that lists factory weights for that saw. They all say 15.7 or 15.6 pounds. Yours might be missing something? The only number I got wrong was a 290 is 56.5 cc, not 59cc. None of this was made up. Can't find the hp link at this moment for the Mac, but it was 3.5, whereas the 290 is 3.8hp.


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The saw you linked on e-how is not even the saw the OP used.That's the Pro-Mac 10-10, he ran the 10-10A.There are no less than 12 variations of that saw.I have a 10-10s that's 57cc.They were built from '67 all the way up to '98.I wouldn't suggest you made n one of this up, but you sure get your info from the wrong place(e-how).Mac does list the weight as 15.6 and Stihl does list the 290 at 13 pounds, but Mark put both saws on the same scale and it disagrees with both, so somebody is wrong.I'll take the scales word for it over the factory specs.But you feel free not to.If I were you I would never own another Mac again.In fact you should get rid of that little Homelite.

You beat me to it Red. The ProMac 10-10 is a much later model, with the HEAVY muffler guard clutch cover/chainbrake assembly and larger muffler (that I mentioned earlier BTW). The saw that Mark weighed was an earlier 10-10A. Same as the one I had, except his has the red kill switch button and the saw I had wore a black button. The fuel tank casting, air filter element, and AF cover are also much different between the two saws. There were also even earlier RH start 10-10 and 10-10A saws (not to mention the 1-10, 2-10, and 3-10 saws). Weights differ there too. McCulloch also used about 27 different mufflers (a slight exageration, but makes the point) on these saws over the years. I am shocked, stunned, and amazed that the weights listed in internet 'sources' don't agree with the numbers that come up on an actual scale holding an actual 10-10A. I guess the next step will be somebody accusing Mark of pushing down on the 290 in the pic (or pulling up on a monofilament line tied to the 10-10A). After that, people will accuse him of leaving the clutch cover off the Mac and/or weighing the 290 when it's packed full of sawdust and dirt. ..

 

[Eccentric]

I will.

Are we talking midwest hardwood or that soft stuff you guys have out there that you guys call wood?

Ever cut Eucalyptus or Madrone Mark? Try some the next time you're out west visiting family. Cut some of the Live Oak, Tan Oak, Valley Oak, and Black Oak that we have here while you're at it too. Then there's all the walnut and the various fruit trees. I'm sure I'm leaving some species out. The west coast isn't entirely covered with Pines, Firs, and Redwoods you know...

 

[redheadwoodshed]

And just one more thing before I call it a night.If you have a strong running ms290 I can get for 15$, I'll take it.Or even for $40.That's what I have in my 2 Macs.Price is always a concern in any saw I buy, equal with weight, power, speed, any criteria you want to add.I think my Macs would beat the 290's again.

 

[roostersgt]

And just one more thing before I call it a night.If you have a strong running ms290 I can get for 15$, I'll take it.Or even for $40.That's what I have in my 2 Macs.Price is always a concern in any saw I buy, equal with weight, power, speed, any criteria you want to add.I think my Macs would beat the 290's again.

For the money, none of the old saws can be beat, period. But there is a reason they're that cheap. You can't get a nearly 20 years old 029 parts saw off Ebay for less than $120 plus shipping. Wonder why?

 

[redheadwoodshed]

For the money, none of the old saws can be beat, period. But there is a reason they're that cheap. You can't get a nearly 20 years old 029 parts saw off Ebay for less than $120 plus shipping. Wonder why?

Because American consumers are easily impressed by orange plastic and brand recognition would be my guess.

 

[Eccentric]

For the money, none of the old saws can be beat, period. But there is a reason they're that cheap. You can't get a nearly 20 years old 029 parts saw off Ebay for less than $120 plus shipping. Wonder why?

Because American consumers are easily impressed by orange plastic and brand recognition would be my guess.

Yep. Put "Stihl" on anything and the resale value doubles. I've seen CL ads where the seller actually said something to the effect of "looking for other chainsaws or power equipment to trade. I like ANYTHING with 'Stihl' on the side". Also have seen many CL listings with "Husqvarna chainsaw (or Homelite Chainsaw, or....), same as Stihl..." in the title and/or wording.

Husqvarna 372 XP pro model chain saw, Same as Sihl 046, 0 hours on saw

Here's an 029 for you...

STIHL 029


There are always several "looking for Stihl Chainsaws" ads in my local CL listings too. I've also seen "This is a very good saw/trimmer/whatever, but I'm more of a Stihl Man" in several CL and ebay listings. Seen that sort of nonsense on AS before too.

 

[Gologit]

For the money, none of the old saws can be beat, period. But there is a reason they're that cheap. You can't get a nearly 20 years old 029 parts saw off Ebay for less than $120 plus shipping. Wonder why?

Because idiots who are too cheap to buy a new saw keep buying up the junkers? And pay ridiculous prices for them? Sight unseen? And then get on AS and complain about it?

Gee, I wonder.

 

[Modifiedmark]

You can't get a nearly 20 years old 029 parts saw off Ebay for less than $120 plus shipping. Wonder why?

Because $120 would only get you a recoil rope and a air filter from the Stihl dealer? Just guessing....

 

[roostersgt]

Touche!, but I think the point was missed. Value is set by the consumer, not the nostalgic. Demand, supply and perceived value regulate the dollar "worth" of an item. If an item did not satisfy the "quality" factor, it's relative value / worth would be reflected. Mac 10-10's don't seem to be a very popular / valuable item to the vast used/parts saw buying populace. I'll let you guys figure that one out. Everyone can't be enamored by just a name, or dulled over the years plastic saws. Harley Davidson has such fanatical followers of their clunky bikes.