Fliplines - Coated or uncoated

[MasterBlaster]

Cool! I stand corrected...

 

[rahtreelimbs]

I still use a wire core flipline on pitchy trees. When I got started and didn't know any better,a wirecore flipline seemed like a safe thing to have. I have since moved on. Currently I'm using 1/2" Safety Blue with a splice by our own Husky288XP with a Knut hitch (8mm Sta-Set) to the d-ring. I also have a micropulley right on the d-ring. This works well for all but the pitchy trees. I just daisy chain the whole setup and push it to the bottom of the d-ring. I attach the wirecore/gibbs setup above it only when I need it.

 

[Lumberjack]

I bought a wire core when I first started climbing 1.5 years ago (man time flys). I used it for a while, but since then I have stopped using it. Now I use Blue Streak with a vt hitch to adjust it. I do removals of pines fairly often and I have never had to go back to useing the wirecore.

But then again, I do almost all my removals spikeless. I did use them on a ceder removal last week though, first time in a long while!

Do you know how to splice?

 

[tinman44]

does anyone use the 2-in-1 safety lanyard? i have old pole strap i have been using as a safety. gonna get something new and i'm thinking the 2-in-1 is the way to go although i have pondered the flipline with the microcender

 

[SteveBullman]

does anyone know anywhere in the uk that sells a 10ft flipline with a swivel snap? i need one ASAP

 

[tinman44]

sherrill will ship overnight they have some good stuff go to their website http://www.wtsherrill.com/ but beware dont order things on backorder i have learned. still waiting on belt i ordered dec 20th

 

[Can-Do-It]

Tinman - Flipline / Lanyard

To me the flipline and lanyard are two different items. The lanyard being somewhat more flexible when the rope coating wears off. I've been using the 10' 2 in 1 lanyard with aluminum safety snaps for about a 1 1/2 years. I personally think it's a great tool to have on your belt. I've used it to snag rope, limbs and redirects while still being tied in with other end.

The flipline on the other hand that I'm wanting will be very stiff with a micro accender. As I'm learning from this forum, it does not have to be cable coated to be flipable all the time. And when I say all the time I mean that it's made to be stiff and flipable after 6 months of heavy uses.

It's such a pain, at least for me, while accending a 30" diameter pine or larger and having to fight to get the flipline I'm using over items on the backside of the trees. Most of these trees have no limbs for till about 40'.

You'al have a Blessed Evening,

 

[hobby climber]

Tinman44, I use the 2 in 1 wire core rope (10'), hip prusik with locking snap. For me its fine but wished it had swivel snaps at the ends instead. Rope is easier to daisy chain & cheaper to replace.

 

[tinman44]

To me the flipline and lanyard are two different items. The lanyard being somewhat more flexible when the rope coating wears off. I've been using the 10' 2 in 1 lanyard with aluminum safety snaps for about a 1 1/2 years. I personally think it's a great tool to have on your belt. I've used it to snag rope, limbs and redirects while still being tied in with other end.

The flipline on the other hand that I'm wanting will be very stiff with a micro accender. As I'm learning from this forum, it does not have to be cable coated to be flipable all the time. And when I say all the time I mean that it's made to be stiff and flipable after 6 months of heavy uses.

It's such a pain, at least for me, while accending a 30" diameter pine or larger and having to fight to get the flipline I'm using over items on the backside of the trees. Most of these trees have no limbs for till about 40'.

You'al have a Blessed Evening,

I'm so confused

 

[tinman44]

Tinman44, I use the 2 in 1 wire core rope (10'), hip prusik with locking snap. For me its fine but wished it had swivel snaps at the ends instead. Rope is easier to daisy chain & cheaper to replace.

so....ok i'm confused again

 

[tshanefreeman]

Another nice thing about the stiffer wire-core fliplines is that yes they may be a little easier to flip on the larger diameter spars, but I really like the piece of mind that the metal core won't be cut in the event of an accident. I personally always try to double connect before firing up my saw, but I still like the idea that one of my connection points is not able to be cut as easy as that of a traditional braided rope! I should also point out that I only climb with the steel-core flipline when doing removals. When pruning I find that being connected with my climbing line and that of my Petzl Grillion lanyard system is sufficient and cuts down on belt clutter.

 

[SteveBullman]

and a stiffer wirecore flipline doesnt wrap itself round your lifeline as badly either

 

[Tom Dunlap]

...but I really like the piece of mind that the metal core won't be cut in the event of an accident. I personally always try to double connect before firing up my saw, but I still like the idea that one of my connection points is not able to be cut as easy as that of a traditional braided rope!

I've talked with several people who have done "cut tests" on cable-core fliplines compared to rope. The cable cuts easily. Don't even think that you have an extra margin of safety. That's an illusion.

You'd be better served always double tieing instead of just "trying". No need to even go to the regs in Z133. It just plain makes sense.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Well, there ya go!

 

[a_lopa]

I've talked with several people who have done "cut tests" on cable-core fliplines compared to rope. The cable cuts easily. Don't even think that you have an extra margin of safety. That's an illusion.

You'd be better served always double tieing instead of just "trying". No need to even go to the regs in Z133. It just plain makes sense.

absolutley correct,i know of a guy that got rescued for real,a small serated rope knife cut thru the wire core easily with the dead weight

 

[OutOnaLimb]

I have a 12' steel core that I think I have only used a hand full of times in the past year on big removals. I prefer to use an 8' piece of Pro Stripe spliced at one end with a steel rope snap and a Gibbs ascender. The only down point to this rig is that you cant release slack when their is weight on it. I have another that I use except that it has a sta-set distal hitch with a minder pulley.

Kenn

 

[Can-Do-It]

I understand about the peace of mind when using the wirecore flipline. I also understand that the wirecore can be cut. But .... it won't cut as easy as rope. When hit with the saw you should hear and feel something different in your saw.

This may be a over kill but I triple hitch when taking down a spur. I take my 10' - 2 and 1 lanyard with the prusik and double wrap it around the spur and clip back into the side d-rings. I then take a short lanyard and place it on top of the first, single wrap, twisted over it self in the front and attach it to my spreader. I then pull my climbing line out of the tie in point and double wrap it under the lanyards and clip it back to itself with the gate facing up the spur. I then tie my split tail to the rope converting it into a srt system.

Why do I do this ..... If something happens when cuting out a 12' - 18' logs, I know that I can kick out and swing to the other side of the spur and that the climbing line will hold me if everything else goes to hell in a hand basket.

Peace of mind Brothers, Peace of Mind.

You'al have a Blessed Day