Granberg Chisel Bit File-N-Joint

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Yes and those inserts/barrels for the file to ride in, had hash marks all around the circle. I think they represented degrees...maybe 2 degrees per mark...something like that. So the frames and the barrels for sure need to be remade for my old one. And then I'm thinking the G-106A/B may have a base/holder similar enough to the G-107 that the newer ones can be made to work.....that's the part I don't know yet.
Thanks, Philbert!
Kevin
 
I think that these can be made up to fit any of the Granberg/Oregon/ etc. file guides (there have been several models through the years). The guys who commented in the thread I referenced would be the ones to ask how well it works.

Philbert
 
I just took my G-107 down to the machinist, set up with the file to show him the weaknesses etc. He's either going to re-bush the top piece to better fit the rod, or find me some drill rod that fits snugger. Then, he's going to make me new barrels out of brass. We argued about the barrels, because I remember them as one piece. But as he said, the file almost hits the side of the hole, so the barrel had to be split where the file goes, with the lip holding everything together. If he doesn't get it right, I'll make him do it again...they're good that way. I'll report back with pics...

I still wanna buy a basic G-106A/B unit and see if I can adapt the base like the old G-107. They sure look similar in the literature, with the only difference being the hand-piece/guide assembly.

Kevin
 
Real1shepherd said:
I just took my G-107 down to the machinist, set up with the file to show him the weaknesses etc. He's either going to re-bush the top piece to better fit the rod, or find me some drill rod that fits snugger. Then, he's going to make me new barrels out of brass. We argued about the barrels, because I remember them as one piece. But as he said, the file almost hits the side of the hole, so the barrel had to be split where the file goes, with the lip holding everything together. If he doesn't get it right, I'll make him do it again...they're good that way. I'll report back with pics...

I still wanna buy a basic G-106A/B unit and see if I can adapt the base like the old G-107. They sure look similar in the literature, with the only difference being the hand-piece/guide assembly.

Kevin
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You can probably buy a 107 off of e-bay very cheap to have an extra to play with. I bought a 104 and a 109 and a mystery one was shipped by accident and not worth the seller paying the shipping to get it back so I found myself with three. Can usually get Granbergs shipped to you for under twenty-five bucks total.

Granberg is still in business and has excellent pictures of the current version file-n-joint. They have something called a Newfiler too that seems kind of interesting. They want more to ship the damned thing than it costs though and I have to admit that seems ridiculous. At fifteen a pop I though I might order two since it looks like just a little stamped steel and save on shipping. Nope, they doubled the shipping. Excuse my french but looks like bs to me. The 106B ships for a dollar and a half more and you could put at least a half dozen of the Newfilers in a box for a 106B and neither weigh anything. They make it hard to do business with them. Think they only want to sell mills directly to customers.

Hu

http://granberg.com/
 
OK, I just watched three videos of the Granberg G-106B. They claim it's the same design as 35yrs ago. I watched the vids carefully....the base unit looks like it has all the same features of the old G-107. So I pulled the trigger on one...we'll see. It has the same range of tilt adjustments and so far from the vids, it looks the same. This being the case the only thing left to modify is the hand-piece/guide. Oh....it looks like they use cheap wing nuts instead of the round dials...I'll just transfer them over. I think they left out that hokey part that was supposed to stop the file and make all the cutters even. Maybe the A model had that...dunno. The original G-107 had it but as I said, I wound up throwing that useless POS away. I'll come up with something there too....

Kevin
shootingarts said:
You can probably buy a 107 off of e-bay very cheap to have an extra to play with. I bought a 104 and a 109 and a mystery one was shipped by accident and not worth the seller paying the shipping to get it back so I found myself with three. Can usually get Granbergs shipped to you for under twenty-five bucks total.

Granberg is still in business and has excellent pictures of the current version file-n-joint. They have something called a Newfiler too that seems kind of interesting. They want more to ship the damned thing than it costs though and I have to admit that seems ridiculous. At fifteen a pop I though I might order two since it looks like just a little stamped steel and save on shipping. Nope, they doubled the shipping. Excuse my french but looks like bs to me. The 106B ships for a dollar and a half more and you could put at least a half dozen of the Newfilers in a box for a 106B and neither weigh anything. They make it hard to do business with them. Think they only want to sell mills directly to customers.

Hu

http://granberg.com/
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I've been trolling ebay the last four days or so...seen 106A's, 108, even a 109...pretty ancient looking stuff(the last two). I haven't seen a 107 for sale...I'm gonna guess they don't show up often. I saw one on the bay a couple of yrs ago and it went high like $50. I think the word's out on that puppy. They're not worth that kinda money...not when I have one to base a better, stronger one on. I'll get this figured out, trust me and I'll pass along the details. Be nice to see a history of all their models, because we might get some ideas on how to make a 'best' model for square chisel chain.

My next hat trick will be to find the old directions/illustrations.

Kevin
 
Let's see I'm nearly 71 yrs, back when I was about 19 or so my Dad bought one of those things, and not too many years ago while digging through his old scrap iron pile, I found it. I've been using it ever since. Nice little jig.
searsprofessionalsawchainsharpener0031.jpg
 
I started a whole thread on these a while back:

http://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/granberg-file-n-joint-revisited.193630/

Had extensive photos on the different models, brand names, etc. Unfortunately, these photos were 'lost'.
The one in Sagetown's photo is a 'File-N-Guide'. The newer models are called 'File-N-Joint'. These latter ones have longer bases that help keep the mounts from slipping on the guide bars, and side clamps/fingers to help hold the chain links down and stable when filing.

As noted, some of the versions have substituted more plastic, eliminated the cutter adjustment feature, etc. Some are physically larger than others.

Lots of them flow though eBay.

Philbert
 
I kinda figured mine was a little on the ancient side. Every thing else I have is. File-N-Guide. Thanks for the INFO Philbert.
 
This is great, thanks guys! Great pic of the old guy working, Sagetown. I can see why they made the base longer...especially with chisel, because raking that big chisel against those cutter teeth tends to move things around. That jig is well made...I can see the difference in material & fittings just against my old 107.

Kevin
 
Philbert said:
I started a whole thread on these a while back:

http://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/granberg-file-n-joint-revisited.193630/

Had extensive photos on the different models, brand names, etc. Unfortunately, these photos were 'lost'.
The one in Sagetown's photo is a 'File-N-Guide'. The newer models are called 'File-N-Joint'. These latter ones have longer bases that help keep the mounts from slipping on the guide bars, and side clamps/fingers to help hold the chain links down and stable when filing.

As noted, some of the versions have substituted more plastic, eliminated the cutter adjustment feature, etc. Some are physically larger than others.

Lots of them flow though eBay.

Philbert
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Wow...that's a real shame Philbert...hopefully we can restore pics if we keep this thread goin'.

Kevin
 
Real1shepherd said:
OK, I just watched three videos of the Granberg G-106B. They claim it's the same design as 35yrs ago. I watched the vids carefully....the base unit looks like it has all the same features of the old G-107. So I pulled the trigger on one...we'll see. It has the same range of tilt adjustments and so far from the vids, it looks the same. This being the case the only thing left to modify is the hand-piece/guide. Oh....it looks like they use cheap wing nuts instead of the round dials...I'll just transfer them over. I think they left out that hokey part that was supposed to stop the file and make all the cutters even. Maybe the A model had that...dunno. The original G-107 had it but as I said, I wound up throwing that useless POS away. I'll come up with something there too....

Kevin



I've been trolling ebay the last four days or so...seen 106A's, 108, even a 109...pretty ancient looking stuff(the last two). I haven't seen a 107 for sale...I'm gonna guess they don't show up often. I saw one on the bay a couple of yrs ago and it went high like $50. I think the word's out on that puppy. They're not worth that kinda money...not when I have one to base a better, stronger one on. I'll get this figured out, trust me and I'll pass along the details. Be nice to see a history of all their models, because we might get some ideas on how to make a 'best' model for square chisel chain.

My next hat trick will be to find the old directions/illustrations.

Kevin
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Kevin,

Please do update how things work out. One way or another I'm going to square file, just because. Also I'm a speed freak, faster in the cut is a big deal to me.

Seems to me it shouldn't be too hard to make something work. I know you can use a goofy file or the six sided file that looks like a triangular file with the corners flattened and shortened. I don't know if either is easier or better to use. Bought a goofy file just because the people I was ordering from when I added a file didn't have the other one. I want to try both.

Hu
 
I certainly will Hu....I'm juiced now about following this to a conclusion. I've been square filing .404 skip-tooth chisel chain for 40 yrs now....but only with a jig. I've had a lot of guys work along side me in the woods in all those yrs. Anybody running round file chain in big timber will invariably wander over to see how I'm taking down a tree so fast or to peer at the fountain of big chips as I'm buckin'. All of us old loggers in the PNW have always been sold on chisel chain...nothing like it. I've run it on up to six foot bars in my youth. Yet I'm not taking these big saws into the woods to collect firewood from small logs. That's where your full comp 3/8" round file chain, small bar, high performance/ported, smaller cc saw is king. Using our saws for that is like using an elephant gun to kill rabbits.

Yeah, if you go into amazon and look up the present G-106B for sale, there's a reviewer that did a loooong piece on adapting that jig to square file chisel chain with a six sided file. He's got diagrams and everything. Although I'm sure it works, it looks kinda cheesy compared to the 107's set up.

Best advice I can give anyone getting into this for the first time is to buy some factory chisel chain, set your jig up and try to copy their angle. You can do this with a red Sharpie...just mark the inside of the cutter and with one-two file passes, all of the red mark should disappear. In my youth I tired the Granberg instructions...I was fresh outa college and versed pretty well in reading. They were maddening to interpret...never got it right until I copied a factory chain. Maybe it's better I never find those old instructions...lol. And then when you get it correct with your jig, you can try a little more aggressive angles depending on your work.

Kevin
 
Real1shepherd said:
I certainly will Hu....I'm juiced now about following this to a conclusion. I've been square filing .404 skip-tooth chisel chain for 40 yrs now....but only with a jig. I've had a lot of guys work along side me in the woods in all those yrs. Anybody running round file chain in big timber will invariably wander over to see how I'm taking down a tree so fast or to peer at the fountain of big chips as I'm buckin'. All of us old loggers in the PNW have always been sold on chisel chain...nothing like it. I've run it on up to six foot bars in my youth. Yet I'm not taking these big saws into the woods to collect firewood from small logs. That's where your full comp 3/8" round file chain, small bar, high performance/ported, smaller cc saw is king. Using our saws for that is like using an elephant gun to kill rabbits.

Yeah, if you go into amazon and look up the present G-106B for sale, there's a reviewer that did a loooong piece on adapting that jig to square file chisel chain with a six sided file. He's got diagrams and everything. Although I'm sure it works, it looks kinda cheesy compared to the 107's set up.

Best advice I can give anyone getting into this for the first time is to buy some factory chisel chain, set your jig up and try to copy their angle. You can do this with a red Sharpie...just mark the inside of the cutter and with one-two file passes, all of the red mark should disappear. In my youth I tired the Granberg instructions...I was fresh outa college and versed pretty well in reading. They were maddening to interpret...never got it right until I copied a factory chain. Maybe it's better I never find those old instructions...lol. And then when you get it correct with your jig, you can try a little more aggressive angles depending on your work.

Kevin
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I have the instructions on the back of a display package that hung on a peg with a 104B in it. I was going to type it out for you but without illustrations the text would be worthless the way it is integrated. Cardboard brown pasteboard and faded black ink with lots of tears and creases. Doubtful but I'll try to photograph it tomorrow, today now, getting late. If I get something that looks like it can be deciphered I'll ask you for an e-mail address, I'll have to send a very large image file to try to maintain quality. Not much faith in it working but I'll give it a shot.

Hu
 
shootingarts said:
I have the instructions on the back of a display package that hung on a peg with a 104B in it. I was going to type it out for you but without illustrations the text would be worthless the way it is integrated. Cardboard brown pasteboard and faded black ink with lots of tears and creases. Doubtful but I'll try to photograph it tomorrow, today now, getting late. If I get something that looks like it can be deciphered I'll ask you for an e-mail address, I'll have to send a very large image file to try to maintain quality. Not much faith in it working but I'll give it a shot.

Hu
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Thanks Hu....maybe it will copy. I looked through all my files last night for the tattered yellow paper copy of instructions for the 107. I couldn't find them. I found them about a yr ago and put them somewhere...hid them from myself, basically. I found the letter from Granberg in the 80's telling me they no longer made the sharpener....lol. The instruction were specific to square filing only. I'll run into them someday but for the purposes of this thread, it's moot.

My thinking is that it would be nice to review those instructions after using the jig all these yrs....everything would make sense now. I remember they suggested a few different angles on chisel chain and the 'why' of it.

Kevin
 
This has probably already been done but.....I sent an 'information request' to Granberg to see if they still might have on file, the instructions for the G-107 chisel chain sharpener. I'm not expecting anything positive, but I thought I should try at least. They've always been about their mills...I think that's traditionally been their money maker. When I called them on the phone in the 80's, because the letter they sent me was pretty vague, they first told me they had some G-107's in stock and hold on, be right back. Well, they didn't....and they guy had a Mediterranean accent, even back then. I'll post with anything positive....

Kevin
 
BobL said:
I have reloaded the images of my mod in the "Oregon file Guide Modded for Square Ground chain" thread.
Here is the link
http://www.arboristsite.com/communi...d-for-square-filing.69509/page-2#post-1048488
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Bob, that is absolutely BEAUTIFUL and exactly what I had in mind. I even pictured that design working in my head....I just couldn't communicate it to the machinist on the 'how' part. Have you considered making any of these for AS members??? With this modified hand piece, many jig bases could be used I suspect. The only critical measurement would be the overall height of the hand piece assembly....so that it works with the jig slave. Fantastic stuff!!!

Kevin
 
Real1shepherd said:
Bob, that is absolutely BEAUTIFUL and exactly what I had in mind. I even pictured that design working in my head....I just couldn't communicate it to the machinist on the 'how' part. Have you considered making any of these for AS members??? With this modified hand piece, many jig bases could be used I suspect. The only critical measurement would be the overall height of the hand piece assembly....so that it works with the jig slave. Fantastic stuff!!! Kevin
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Thanks Kevin. As for making more of these? Unfortunately that won't be happening.
If I made all the different jigs/tools/gizmos I came up with for all people who wanted them, I wouldn't be doing anything else I like doing, which is making more different gizmos.
Here is a non-CS example.
It's a collapsible oven we take camping made mainly out of old SS clothes drying drums.
campfire2x.jpg
We take it camping and use it to make pizza, bread, cakes, slow roasts etc.
The oven part can be quickly replaced with a hotplate to become a BBQ
Everywhere I go, lots folks that see it ask me I can make them one.
 

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