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I have been using high octane in my saws for a while will this hurt them ? ( 93 oct. ) a friend told me i shouldent be but I find it works out great I mean its not like Im running racing fuels. will
this shorten there life .
 
Running 93 octane will not hurt your saw. There has been a great arguement over pre-ignition and detonation from low octane fuel which a) will hurt your saw b) could hurt your saw or c) doesn't exist all of these answers are correct just ask 3 different people and you'll get one to agree to each statement. I personally run 89 octane in my stuff and it works for me. You and I may have just re-opened a can-o-worms.
 
how about a good can of sardines..
lettum set in the sun all day ,on the porch ,,and haveum fer supper.that nite:)
 
Tony, how come you are back in posting up the place again instead of being out cuttin' and such. The old shoulder hasn't put you out of commission again has it? How you doing old hound!
 
Along the lines of higher octane gas, what if you use the 10% ethanol belnd? Many times aorund WI gas stations will offer the 10% ethanol blend of 89 octane at the same price as regular 87 octane. Is that going to do harm on seals and other areas? Or does it benefit in winter use to help clean the moisture of of the fuel with the alcohol?

I was told the only advantage of using higher octane fuels is for more advanced engines or higher compression engines to reduce or eliminate knock. I haven't ever noticed a difference in fuel mileage or engine cleanliness in using 89 or 93.
 
The ethanol blended gas is all we have access to here.Noticed more carb related problems with my small engines and neighbors equipment.Now using premium gas no older than a 6 weeks. For 30 years never ran any equipment dry even if it would be sitting unused 6 months. But now anything that will not be run in a month is run dry.
 
You may be better off running high octane simply because it gives you a hedge against detonation. If you engine never detonates under any circumstance, then it just won't mattter. It won't hurt, but it won't help either. If your engine may detonate sometimes, then it can help.
It's important to note that higher octane fuel will never, by itself, make more power. High octane fuels burn slower, and delay the onset of detonation as noted. This may allow you to bump up the compression ratio, or turbo boost, nitrous etc. (not likely in a chainsaw;^) ) which will make more power. The HO fuel is simply allowing you to do these other things without destroying the engine.
Ethanol is another story. I am not a big fan of the blended fuels, especially for small engines which cannot automatically compensate for them the way a modern EFI auto engine can. Alcohols are a bit corrosive, especially methanol which is not used in blended fuels. Again, small engines have a lot of parts in the fuel system which can corrode in contact with alcohols. EFI autos are pretty much all stainless steel wetted parts so this does not matter much for them.
I am a big fan of the product Sta-bil. It defintely extends the life of fuel to at least a year. I recently dusted off my generator after 5 years in my garage without starting. I drained the Sta-bil treated fuel from the tank and bowl (no varnish at all, just old fuel) added new gas and it started in one pull!

Jimbo
 
High octane fuels burn slower
No they do not. The fastest burnig fuels are pro stock drag fuesl which alos have some of the highest octane ratings. The octane number is a measure of resistance to abnormal combustion not a measure of flame speed or btu's.
 
BTW If I where saw racing I would look long and hard at VP U2, MR2, and C-12 in that order. Phillips and Nutec also makes some excellant race fuels as well. Nutec has a fuel called special-x that has a 5.5% oxygen content.
 
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High octane fuels burn slower

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No they do not.

Putting a very fine point on it, given the context of the query (which pump gas to use), don't you think? "Abnormal combustion" is very, very fast BTW.

:^)

Jimbo
 
The octane number is a measure of resistance to abnormal combustion not a measure of flame speed or btu's
I stated the above. What part of the above statement are you not agreeing with? In any context Toctane number is not indicative of flame speed. I dont know how I can be more clear and if you want referances and tech data I can provide them.
 
Jimbo; "burn slower, and delay" If you would take just these words out of your post I would agree with everything else in your post. Slower flame propogation speed is not the accepted technical explanation of why higher octane fuels are resistant to detonation.

Yes, once detonation occurs the reaction is very fast, but that is not flame propogation (burning rate)

"The octane number is a measure of resistance to abnormal combustion not a measure of flame speed or btu's"

I think Ben can take this one to the bank! It is only a fine point, because bothe
of you are saying pretty much the same thing but a slightly different definition of why.

Sedanman is correct in saying this is not the first visit to this subject.
 
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