Homelite 1050, Super 1050, 1020 - Which one is it?

[Eccentric]

I realized I'm still missing the throttle lock for this saw. I can make out that I need items 26-28, but can't make out the PNs on my IPL. Anyone have one thay can read? It looks like I need the pin, spring, and retaining ring.

I could use a few sets of those parts as well. Seen them on feebay a few times, but for too much money. My XP1020 IPL is hard to read too. Got these numbers from my Super 1050 Auto IPL. That one's easy to read...


Pin------------58404
Spring---------58405
Retaining Ring--58409

 

[blsnelling]

I could use a few sets of those parts as well. Seen them on feebay a few times, but for too much money. My XP1020 IPL is hard to read too. Got these numbers from my Super 1050 Auto IPL. That one's easy to read...


Pin------------58404
Spring---------58405
Retaining Ring--58409

Thanks!

 

[blsnelling]

I just won this bar for the 1050. I've got a weakness for roller nose bars. So should it be left bare steel, decaled, or what?

 

[watsonr]

The guy selling it said it fit the 750, you need to send it to me, especially since you were bidding against me. Not sure if it will fit Brad, that's the same mount as the XL-12 or XL-925.

I may be wrong, but it is a nice bar!

Randy

 

[blsnelling]

The guy selling it said it fit the 750, you need to send it to me, especially since you were bidding against me. Not sure if it will fit Brad, that's the same mount as the XL-12 or XL-925.

I may be wrong, but it is a nice bar!

Randy

What?! Please edumacate me. Will this bar not fit me 1050, even if I have to mod it a bit?

 

[watsonr]

I believe the other bar he was selling was for the 1050 and that one fits a 750. I was bidding on both, but got out bid on both, just didn't think they were worth more than $75 each. I talked to him earlier in the day, the seller is about 1 hour from my hotel and told me he took it from a Homelite 750, which if I'm not mistaken is the mount that fits the Super XL/XL-12 series saws. That is a nice bar!

If you sell it, I'll give you the price you paid, it would look good on my 750.

Randy

 

[blsnelling]

I believe the other bar he was selling was for the 1050 and that one fits a 750. I was bidding on both, but got out bid on both, just didn't think they were worth more than $75 each. I talked to him earlier in the day, the seller is about 1 hour from my hotel and told me he took it from a Homelite 750, which if I'm not mistaken is the mount that fits the Super XL/XL-12 series saws. That is a nice bar!

If you sell it, I'll give you the price you paid, it would look good on my 750.

Randy

Well that stinks. I would have bought the other had I known that. Shame on me for not doing my homework. Can this bar not be modified to work on my 1050? The slot is the same size.

 

[watsonr]

I'm not sure, just saying what he told me. They both take a 9.5mm slot but the one on my 1050 looks different, the end of the slot is open and the 750's is closed. The oil holes I'm not sure about either, if I had access to a printer I would print out the bar pattern and compare them.

Randy

 

[Eccentric]

I just won this bar for the 1050. I've got a weakness for roller nose bars. So should it be left bare steel, decaled, or what?

The guy selling it said it fit the 750, you need to send it to me, especially since you were bidding against me. Not sure if it will fit Brad, that's the same mount as the XL-12 or XL-925.

I may be wrong, but it is a nice bar!

Randy

What?! Please edumacate me. Will this bar not fit me 1050, even if I have to mod it a bit?

I believe the other bar he was selling was for the 1050 and that one fits a 750. I was bidding on both, but got out bid on both, just didn't think they were worth more than $75 each. I talked to him earlier in the day, the seller is about 1 hour from my hotel and told me he took it from a Homelite 750, which if I'm not mistaken is the mount that fits the Super XL/XL-12 series saws. That is a nice bar!

If you sell it, I'll give you the price you paid, it would look good on my 750.

Randy

Well that stinks. I would have bought the other had I known that. Shame on me for not doing my homework. Can this bar not be modified to work on my 1050? The slot is the same size.

I was watching that bar too. The seller doesn't know that much about old saw bar mounts. If he actualy took it off of a 750 though.............then it is the XL mount pattern and most likely won't work with a C/XP series saw. The bar slot is indeed the same width. The adjuster holes are a bit different, but things can be made to work there (with either modifications to the adjuster nut or the bar). The one real issue I've found with trying to run XL pattern bars on C/XP series saws is that the C/XP oiler hole location is not right for those bars, and there's often not enough 'meat' on that section of the bar to keep saw's oiler slot covered (because the XP bars have a larger radius in that area). You have to fit the bar on the saw and carefuly look things over to see if it's gonna work. Check for issues with the bar in different possitions (chain adjustment locations). It may be fine with the bar in one spot........but not in others. You wouldn't wanna fry the chain and bar because the oiler hole got uncovered. You might be able to make it work with a custom or modified bar plate. Those bars should be in 'natural' finish to look right BTW. I have both 'open' and 'closed' slot bars for both mount patterns. That's not an issue. The oiler thing can be though. Try to see if it'll work before you make a decission...

Sorry Brad.

 

[Wildman1024]

It will fit. You may or may not have to adjust the oil hole "Slightly". If it is really a D196 mount (925/650/750 saws) then the tail will be a little smaller to. I dont see it as being an issue though

 

[watsonr]

Offer still stands, you beat me by $1.00. I wanted both bars, one for each saw.

How much is a roller bar really worth?

Randy

 

[Eccentric]

It will fit. You may or may not have to adjust the oil hole "Slightly". If it is really a D196 mount (925/650/750 saws) then the tail will be a little smaller to. I dont see it as being an issue though

It really is one of those things where you have to try the individual bar on the saw...............sliding it back and forth on the studs through the whole adjustment length to see if the oiler hole and slot line up, without the slot being uncovered. When I've tried using XL mount bars on my C5's I was not happy with the oiler hole situation...

 

[Wildman1024]

It really is one of those things where you have to try the individual bar on the saw...............sliding it back and forth on the studs through the whole adjustment length to see if the oiler hole and slot line up, without the slot being uncovered. When I've tried using XL mount bars on my C5's I was not happy with the oiler hole situation...

I'm running a husky D009 mount on my 922. The fit the studs perfect but most of the time you gotta adjust the oiler hole. I just got lucky and the 922 needs no adjustments. It really does depend on the saw though

 

[blsnelling]

Offer still stands, you beat me by $1.00. I wanted both bars, one for each saw.

How much is a roller bar really worth?

Randy

Thanks for the info guys. My max bid was $86. I'll check it out good when it gets here.

 

[hoss]

I have a bunch of 750 mount bars and some of the much more rare roller/sprocket nose bars for the big xp-3100 series saws and although the oiler and even adjuster holes can be modded or moved there is just not enough meat (height) on the tail of the bar. What happens and is even worse when you use the bar plates is that the body of the saw and clutch cover will bind against the chain. I'm sure some of you guys have seen some of the saws in this series with a channel worn to the bar mounting section of the saw body from someone being determined to run a D196 or similar sized bar on these saws. It may run, but the reason to have a roller or sprocket nose bars instead of the much easier to find hardnose bars is to free up horsepower so any bind on the chain would be working against that. I know a HP Freak like you will appreciate this. An easy way around this (it won't be a roller nose though) is to run a large mount Stihl sprocket nose bar. They are big enough at the tail, can be had from any stihl dealer and only need a small adapter to fit. There are some good threads with some very good ideas on adapters for this application. Good luck and nice job on the saw.

 

[blsnelling]

I have a bunch of 750 mount bars and some of the much more rare roller/sprocket nose bars for the big xp-3100 series saws and although the oiler and even adjuster holes can be modded or moved there is just not enough meat (height) on the tail of the bar. What happens and is even worse when you use the bar plates is that the body of the saw and clutch cover will bind against the chain. I'm sure some of you guys have seen some of the saws in this series with a channel worn to the bar mounting section of the saw body from someone being determined to run a D196 or similar sized bar on these saws. It may run, but the reason to have a roller or sprocket nose bars instead of the much easier to find hardnose bars is to free up horsepower so any bind on the chain would be working against that. I know a HP Freak like you will appreciate this. An easy way around this (it won't be a roller nose though) is to run a large mount Stihl sprocket nose bar. They are big enough at the tail, can be had from any stihl dealer and only need a small adapter to fit. There are some good threads with some very good ideas on adapters for this application. Good luck and nice job on the saw.

Good info Hoss. Thanks! I'll have to check that out. I actually have a 36" Cannon roller nose in the large Stihl mount.

 

[hoss]

Also some of the larger Remington roller nose bars are large enough at the tail. I recently recieved a nice Homelite 2000 that had a larger Remington roller nose bar on it and it works great with no binding.

 

[Teddy.Scout]

Nice job on the saw Brad!
Looks sharp!!!!

And good info lersorubcheek and hoss!!!!!!!!!

There's a subtle difference between earlier saws like the 1000/1020 and later ones like the Super 1050. Earlier con rods had fiber bushings on the crank end for "slop" control. Later saws like the Super 1050 used two metal bushings on the piston end of the con rod that sandwiched in between the con rod bearing and the piston boss for the wrist pin. Not sure when this change took place. Anyhoo, just be careful if the con rod setup is the later style so the piston has the proper side clearance control.

Dan

I have a bunch of 750 mount bars and some of the much more rare roller/sprocket nose bars for the big xp-3100 series saws and although the oiler and even adjuster holes can be modded or moved there is just not enough meat (height) on the tail of the bar. What happens and is even worse when you use the bar plates is that the body of the saw and clutch cover will bind against the chain. I'm sure some of you guys have seen some of the saws in this series with a channel worn to the bar mounting section of the saw body from someone being determined to run a D196 or similar sized bar on these saws. It may run, but the reason to have a roller or sprocket nose bars instead of the much easier to find hardnose bars is to free up horsepower so any bind on the chain would be working against that. I know a HP Freak like you will appreciate this. An easy way around this (it won't be a roller nose though) is to run a large mount Stihl sprocket nose bar. They are big enough at the tail, can be had from any stihl dealer and only need a small adapter to fit. There are some good threads with some very good ideas on adapters for this application. Good luck and nice job on the saw.

 

[blsnelling]

I stepped out into the cold garage to do a little bar sleuthing. This 1050 came with two bars on is a 32" and the other a 60". Both are hard nosed with .404 chain. Both appear to have seen little or no use. The 60" is a little fatter at the tale than the 32". Can someone confirm which bar mounts these are?


Here is the 60".

Here is the 32".

This is the 32" bar laid on top of the 60" bar.

 

[blsnelling]

Here is a 36" Oregon roller nose in large Stihl mount. I'm not sure about how compatible this is.

Here it is on top of the 60" bar.