Homelite Chainsaws

[8433jeff]

No Jeff, they were mostly intended for speed reduction. "Speed Reducer" doesn't sound as cool in a dealer flier as "Torque Amplifier" though...:msp_lol:

"Speed reducer" still sounds better to an IH guy than a more torquey, more fuel efficent JD motor from the era, doesn't it.

 

[Guido Salvage]

Oliver had them beat...

While there were TA's, Amplitorqe, Multi Power, etc., I prefer the Oliver Over Under Hydraul shift as it gave both a high and low side to each gear. I found the auxiliary shifts to be most helpful when pulling a plow or disc. Just be careful, on some there is no engine braking action.

 

[8433jeff]

Yes, that was a slick setup, then they went further with the over direct under. I still enjoyed the put it in a gear and leave it there approach to plowing, still do on occasion.

 

[cbfarmall]

TA's are an excuse for a gutless motor.

Oh geez, you're right. The DT361/407 IHC motors were junk. Not to mention the C263/281 and others.

Chris B.

 

[8433jeff]

Oh geez, you're right. The DT361/407 IHC motors were junk. Not to mention the C263/281 and others.

Chris B.

The first motor you mentioned was produced after they were in second place, and I never said they were junk. They were OK. Even a blind pig finds a truffle lol. The second engine you refer to was a sound motor, but the tractor they put it in I would argue sent the company reeling into a spin they never fully recovered from. Lotta overtime and capital spent trying to fix said transmissions and it was about then Deere passed them, and while having to nervously look back, maybe even sideways, never saw the IH taillights again. You Farmall guys. So sensitive.

 

[cbfarmall]

Hey, I'll be the first to admit the IH transmissions were a real weak point. Still got alot done though without a friggin hand clutch. The nicest tractor I've ridden is a JD 4010 gasser (get ready for a 4020 diatribe!). Smooth steering and clutching. I didn't mind the shifting, I love the neutral range and the park position.

You know what they say about JD--they made antique tractors longer than anybody else!

I made an error in my previous post. I meant 264 NOT 263. I have both, though and am quite fond of them.

Chris B.

This thing is a cadillac with the power steering.

 

[8433jeff]

Hey, I'll be the first to admit the IH transmissions were a real weak point. Still got alot done though without a friggin hand clutch. The nicest tractor I've ridden is a JD 4010 gasser (get ready for a 4020 diatribe!). Smooth steering and clutching. I didn't mind the shifting, I love the neutral range and the park position.

You know what they say about JD--they made antique tractors longer than anybody else!

I made an error in my previous post. I meant 264 NOT 263. I have both, though and am quite fond of them.

Chris B.

This thing is a cadillac with the power steering.

Antiques? Individual carbs (OK, a barrel for each cylinder), preheated air fuel mix, almost straight thru carboration, dedicated power steering (so you could use one hand for the clutch), lift/draft control ahead of everybody at the time and these were antiques? Sorry for the hijack people, (Homelites and Deere were interrelated at one time, not good for either company). 4020's were necessary 2.5 yrs in, many troubles (none major, most company related) in 4010s.

 

[Guido Salvage]

Just think, Oliver had smooth 6 cylinder power in the mid 1930's, something John Deere only started offering in the 1960's.

 

[Eccentric]

"Speed reducer" still sounds better to an IH guy than a more torquey, more fuel efficent JD motor from the era, doesn't it.

What's your point Jeff? Chris brought up the TA to illustrate a mechanical device with failure issues similar to the overrunning bearing starters. Nobody was tooting the IHC horn. I like both Red and Green tractors. I have noticed that JD folks do tend to feel the need to fire unprovoked shots at the IHC camp. Dunno why...

Every tractor (and saw) manufacturer has had certain 'bests', 'firsts'................and 'turds'. Has JD Green caught up with the Axial-Flow combines yet? They've had 30+ years to do it...:msp_tongue:

I am a fan of the big JD twins though...

 

[longbar]

Well I sprayed some degreaser into the overrunning bearing and oiled it and it seems to be working alot better so far! Thanks for the tips guys!!!!

 

[cbfarmall]

What's your point Jeff? Chris brought up the TA to illustrate a mechanical device with failure issues similar to the overrunning bearing starters. Nobody was tooting the IHC horn. I like both Red and Green tractors. I have noticed that JD folks do tend to feel the need to fire unprovoked shots at the IHC camp. Dunno why...

Good point. I didn't start in with the broadsides.

Chris B.

 

[GoRving]

http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/ed1d619968136da688256af40002b8f7/547bcd19fe19fc7f88256b78000dfaa3?OpenDocument

Here is the info. Carb kits are still available, every 1950's Homelite saw I have has great spark most common problem is fuel or gasket related. If you can switch to .404 chain do it, #10 and 1/2 chain are hard to come by.

Lots of saws in that series. 4-20, 5-22, 7-21, 700, 707, 770, Wiz, and others. All closely related. Classic Homelite. I have a parts 6-22. More compression than I've ever felt in a saw.

Chris B.

Thank y'all. Mine spent years under a workshop bench and is covered with "dry" crud. I need a cylinder cover, but think there may be one here that will fit. Great compression, though.

 

[8433jeff]

Just think, Oliver had smooth 6 cylinder power in the mid 1930's, something John Deere only started offering in the 1960's.

This is true. The sales line from Deere was that when overhauling, you only had 1/3 the cost as far as parts goes. They evidently forgot that somewhere along the way. That was a cost savings back in the day, as an area farmer seemed to "freshen" his valves every year on a Super 88 he used to blow silage. I raked a lot of hay with a Super 77, and was told many times about letting the tractor cool some when I got to the yard before shutting it off, to cool the valve train. Wide front, easy to steer, needed a radio.
I am glad we solved the overrunning clutch issue, for now. All problems with this old stuff can be solved, even if only for now.

 

[8433jeff]

What's your point Jeff? Chris brought up the TA to illustrate a mechanical device with failure issues similar to the overrunning bearing starters. Nobody was tooting the IHC horn. I like both Red and Green tractors. I have noticed that JD folks do tend to feel the need to fire unprovoked shots at the IHC camp. Dunno why...

Every tractor (and saw) manufacturer has had certain 'bests', 'firsts'................and 'turds'. Has JD Green caught up with the Axial-Flow combines yet? They've had 30+ years to do it...:msp_tongue:

I am a fan of the big JD twins though...

I need a point? lol
I'm sorry. Lord, I apologize and bless the little people from canada. As per your pm, they have. Back only to saws, if only for a while.

 

[Eccentric]

I need a point? lol
I'm sorry. Lord, I apologize and bless the little people from canada. As per your pm, they have. Back only to saws, if only for a while.

No worries Jeff. Didja get my last PM about the carb kits? If you haven't ordered them yet...............please hold off. Funds are getting spread thin. If you have ordered them already, that's OK too. I'll just tighten the belt a bit elsewhere


By the way..........I wish that IHC had sold rebadged Homelites in the way that JD did with Echos (and later 'homelites' and Efcos). Also wish that IHC was still producing real tractors (not Case-IH or Case-New Holland, or whatever they are now) and that McCulloch, Poulan, and Homelite were still producing real chainsaws. At least JD is still cranking out some good ag stuff. The ITEC/Navistar truck business is doing well still thank God.

 

[metalspec]

450

New to me...

Still has this sticker attached and in good shape!

180lbs of comp but no spark

 

[watsonr]

Nice saw!!! Homelite rep inbound.

 

[metalspec]

....which then lead to me pulling out a few other Homeys...

 

[metalspec]

Nice saw!!! Homelite rep inbound.

Thanks! I pulled the coil off a parts 350 and now she has spark!

 

[roncoinc]

C5 starter cup / C7 starter cup

anybody know if i can USE the C5 starter cup on a C7 ??
will it fit and work ? not to be original or correct but work ?