how many climbers wear a chest harness or top croll? ?

[tramp bushler]

I'd also recommend getting rid of the walmart-rope lanyard. As well as buying a decent limbing saw and posting more in 101. No need for the fancy #### when you don't have the basics in order.

Oh, OK. What do you recommend for a limbing saw? ?
The 3/4"-18' Maxi Flip and 5/8"-8' Climb Right wire core flip lines should be here Monday or Tuesday.
1/2" Arbor Plex too.

What thread do u recommend in 101 . I couldn't find and that addressed my needs.

 

[Pelorus]

1/2" Arbor Plex too.

Damn.
Gonna have to reccomend a Wild Thing to go along with that rope.

 

[tramp bushler]

What's. That? ?

 

[Pelorus]

What's. That? ?

Inexpensive like Arborplex.
Just messin' with ya, cause I wouldn't wish a Poulan on even my competitors.

 

[tramp bushler]

Just cause it's inexpensive, . weekend before last I made 100$ an hour with the wife's 235 Husky.
Sorry but small trees deserve a small saw. Ya. A 346 Husky would be better than my Jred. But it probably wouldn't make me anymore money. The 338 Husky I've been using at work is OK. But I really don't care for the top handle.

Anything ( wrong) with Arbor Plex? ?

 

[Ms2004life]

Bushler seems like your getting the stuff around mate. Maybe get the 'tree climbers handbook' it explains everything you want to know. If your mainly climbing conifers and doing removals (i'm guessing from the photos) then you just need to upgrade your set up two points of tie-in when your cutting is standard these days. So most belts cant do it for ya harnesses can. Saws a saw if its sharp (to a degree) use what you can afford. Good rope and a good wire core lanyard happy days. Keep it simple and don't worry about the tech s$&t till you get the new scoop basics down. Keep on keepin on

 

[802climber]

Just cause it's inexpensive, . weekend before last I made 100$ an hour with the wife's 235 Husky.
Sorry but small trees deserve a small saw. Ya. A 346 Husky would be better than my Jred. But it probably wouldn't make me anymore money. The 338 Husky I've been using at work is OK. But I really don't care for the top handle.

Anything ( wrong) with Arbor Plex? ?

There is nothing in the world wrong with Arborplex.

It is made by Samson which is (one of) the best rope manufacturers for our trade. These guys are just being a buncha ####s because it is a budget rope.

I have one for a sap rope and if I was doing mostly conifer take downs I would buy it by the reel.

 

[Pelorus]

Anything ( wrong) with Arbor Plex? ?

I comes down to a personal choice. I don't mind paying a bit more for something with higher specs when my life and livlng are dependant on it's performance.
I think Arbor Plex is cheapo because of a higher polypropylene content. Translates into lower melting point and less strength.
Would you rather drive a soup can or something better? They will both get you from point A to point B.

 

[802climber]

It sounds like you're rappelling on an old school "closed" system.

I would order the Tree Climbers Companion book and a 1/2" single eye split tail and two autolocking carabiners. Or make the split tail with a piece of arborplex and a fisherman's knot instead of a splice.

You could make your system safer & more comfortable by doing the following:

* While you are still on the ground *

1. Tie a fisherman's knot onto your first carabiner with the working end of your rope. You could also use an anchor hitch or bowline with appropriate tie-off.

2. Take your split tail with second carabiner attached to the single eye and with it, tie a Blakes hitch to your rope.

3. Connect both biners to your saddle and you are now managing a loop between you and your tie in point.

4. You can open or close this loop whenever you want. Hence "open system".

5. Use it in your D-Rings as your "second flipline", or in your bridge to choker off to a spar to rest or cut, or tie in to rappel.

This is a basic DDRT system.

 

[802climber]

I comes down to a personal choice. I don't mind paying a bit more for something with higher specs when my life and livlng are dependant on it's performance.
I think Arbor Plex is cheapo because of a higher polypropylene content. Translates into lower melting point and less strength.
Would you rather drive a soup can or something better? They will both get you from point A to point B.

Of course it ain't the best but when and how are you gonna bring it to it's melting point doing what he is doing with it?

 

[Pelorus]

These guys are just being a buncha ####s because it is a budget rope.
QUOTE]

Well...........yeah! It's not fair that Jeff gets to be the only bully.
Hey, I started climbing on 1/2" 3-strand nylon rope I used to buy from the hardware store. Didn't have the "Internet" or a 'puter, and didn't know dirt. Just sayin'

No local arborist supply place (what's an arborist?), and the notion never crossed my ignorant mind to ask a tree outfit where they bought their stuff.
And the Dark Ages didn't kill me, even though mebbe they should have. Used to use the very same 1/2" white nylon rope for pulling trees down.
Good point though, imo, about using ArborPlex as a sap rope. No need to gum up a decent rope.

 

[Pelorus]

Of course it ain't the best but when and how are you gonna bring it to it's melting point doing what he is doing with it?

I don't know what he will end up doing with that half worn out rope in 6 months. You don't either.

 

[802climber]

I don't know what he will end up doing with that half worn out rope in 6 months. You don't either.

True, but it's all relative. What seems cheap to some guys may be a big step up for other guys. I'm sure there are guys who will only climb on a Lockjack and think all split tails are junk because the fibers will eventually fail.

If it is used and stored properly then there won't be a problem.

You could take any rope product and abuse it and then die as a result. Including a wire core flipline!


It's amazing and kind of horrifying to learn about how much tensile strength rope can lose just from improper storage.

I do totally see your point, starting at the beginning with better construction and higher strength, will mean you will retain more down the road.

 

[Pelorus]

I notice a difference in the published avg. rope strengths depending what catalog is referred to.
Also, I vaguely remember (couple of years ago) that Blue Streak & it's yellow and black/red cousins had an avg (or max) break strength of something slightly above 8000lbs. In the current Sherril cat., they are rated as only 100lb more than Arborplex.
Likely a typo, but WesSpur lists them as only 6500lb, and Arborplex as 6000!

I can see how someone, especially someone fairly new to the game could think they were getting a real bargain buying Arborplex over a more expensive rope.
Since they are all selling the same ropes, and most of those ropes have been around for at least several years, I would think the manufacturers would supply these equipment suppliers with the same specs, and the specs would stay the same year after year. Or, have the manufacturers actually cheapened their ropes construction for a bigger bottom line?

I once bought a "premium" climbing line from a well known mail order supplier (not one of the above) who has a booth at TCIA Expo every year. (Clue: they sell "Laser" brand chainsaw chains / bars).
Complete with sticker that said "Made in China"
I swear the damn thing started hockling the minute it came out of the bag. Real disapointment. Loose cover strands would snag if they even looked at a twig.

 

[tramp bushler]

I comes down to a personal choice. I don't mind paying a bit more for something with higher specs when my life and livlng are dependant on it's performance.
I think Arbor Plex is cheapo because of a higher polypropylene content. Translates into lower melting point and less strength.
Would you rather drive a soup can or something better? They will both get you from point A to point B.

The reason I went with Arbor Plex is it was the only line that was advertised as working well when wet. Valdezis on the coast ( obviously) , a rain forest. Sometimes it pours all day for a week. My Samson bull ropes work in the wet but they snag and milk. Kinda act like a pain in the a--. Hopefully I'm not acting like that.

Here in Glennallen, the Copper Basin the trees are little. White Spruce, Silver Poplar. Some Cottonwood. But little ones compared to the coast. The power co op has hundreds of miles of r.o.w.that needs tree maintenance to the best of my knowledge I'm. The only multi faceted stump maker in the area.
I know it may seem like I'm a short busser. But really this saddle and rope climbing is the only tree stuff in Alaska that I'm not a full blown professional with decades of experience in.

 

[tramp bushler]

I know polypropylene can be strange compared to nylon or polyester. From a marine( salt water) view point. The fact is I don't " know" what the best climbing rope would be for hare. And there is no one to talk to about them other than you guys. !!! . I just need to get what
will work and what I can afford.
Again, I appreciate all the input.

I will end up with the best gear available for the work I do. But I gotta start somewhere.

Pelorus
You got me on the Wild Thing comment. I looked all the way thru the WesSpur catalog and was starting on the Bailey's when I checked this thread and saw what you were talking about. :msp_rolleyes::msp_biggrin:

 

[Pelorus]

Pelorus
You got me on the Wild Thing comment. I looked all the way thru the WesSpur catalog and was starting on the Bailey's when I checked this thread and saw what you were talking about. :msp_rolleyes::msp_biggrin:

:msp_smile:
I enjoy learning from others on this forum as to what they think is good, bad, or ugly. And in 50 years none of it is gonna matter a hill of beans to anybody still on the green side of the grass. Probably be sending robots up trees by then.

 

[tramp bushler]

Oh ; where I live we only get 12" of precipitation . So I'm in 2 totally different climates.

So what ropes are the best for arborist work. Is there any reason my Gri Gri won't. Work well for my repelling down the tree? ?

 

[Ms2004life]

Gri-gri's work great mate, i use mine everyday instead of a friction knot have modified it a little and is awesome. Takes in and pays out rope as well as any other setup. But just rappelling id probably go to something more basic and a little lighter. Grigris are only rate to 80kgs for abseiling and not supposed to be used commercially petzl make the id and the rig for that.

 

[tramp bushler]

OK, that's what the difference is .. There are so many kinds of acenders and descenders. I used my first Gri Gri for roofing ect. It grew legs and I got another .. My ropes got here from WesSpur today. They sure do have good service. The shipping to Alaska is the best I've found. Ordered Tree Climbers companion from them tday. What rope do you like best for a climbing line , what ascender?