I would rather let it rot....

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avalancher

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Last year a farmer had a large piece of land logged off, maybe in the 100 plus acre size, and of course the loggers left all the oak tops behind. I stopped and asked the farmer if he would mind if I cut some of it up, even offered to haul plenty to the house for him in exchange. He said nope, he had a ton of family that wanted the wood.I thought at the time he must have not only a million relatives, but some sturdy ones as well. The property is very steep in places, and the average joe is not going to want to lug the wood up the hills to the truck.
I happened to go by the place last night, and to my surprise the place looked exactly the same as last year. As far as I could see, not a stick had been touched.
I swung back around and stopped at the farmers house and saw him out at the barn. I introduced myself as the guy that had stopped last year to inquire about the wood. Then I asked him if he would be willing to reconsider my deal. I even said that I would deliver him to his house SPLIT wood in exchange for the privelage of cutting there. his reply was...
"I would rather let the wood rot on the ground than allow ANYONE to cut on my place."
I asked him if I had offended him in some ways, he replied that he was tired of lazy beggers asking for handouts.Lazy?Beggers?
On the way out I happened to catch his wife at the mailbox, I stopped and told her that I was sorry if I had offended her husband. She said that what he said was his standard reply to anyone that stopped and asked about the wood. To her knowledge nobody but the old man had cut any on the place.
What gives with people like this?I thought that I was doing him several favors. Hauling him some wood(they burn wood themselves, and he has to split by hand), clean up his woods for him, etc.
In the years of cutting wood, this was the weirdest reaction that I have ever had to me asking to cut wood. I have had polite "No", :censored: holes that wanted every stick for themselves, and a few that wanted me to pay by the load.Never been called either lazy or a beggar before.
 
Yes that guy was harsh but a lot of people are skittish about people cutting on their land because of liability issues. Personally you offering to C&S wood for him was very generous considering the unfavorable terrain.
 
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Sometimes you run across one of those folks that feels it is their land and they do not want anyone else on it - period.

The "lazy beggars" part of it doesn't compute. Maybe he has allowed guys on his land previously who offered some type of deal and then never showed up to complete the deal after they got what they wanted?

Either way, it's too bad that the wood will likely not be used since it has already sat their for a year (leads me to think that their isn't a "ton of family that wanted the wood.")
 
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Your lucky that you didn't get shot in the :censored: by some rock salt.
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Your lucky that you didn't get shot in the :censored: by some rock salt.
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I cant imagine shooting someone for asking to cut wood on their property. I just figured at the time that his hemoriods where acting up. Kind of felt sorry for the guy really, it looks like he was having a hard time getting around, and he didnt have near enough wood on hand for the winter. I figured that the next time I was heading out his way I would bring him a load of wood "on the house" without mentioning his wood laying around. Maybe he will see that I am an upstanding kind of guy all on his own.
 
The man has told you no twice, I would be inclined to leave him alone. It is the mans property and he may do as he pleases. Yes it maybe a waste of wood, thats his choice.
 
There are several good reasons for me to say no when strangers or even some who are not strangers ask cut wood on my property. Probably the most prevalent reason is that no matter what I tell folks they can or cannot do on my property past experience is that they end up doing what pleases them or is easier than following instructions. Secondly, no matter how plain and clear I make it that I am giving them, and only them permission to do one specific thing on my property, lets say cut wood, the next thing you know they have given a buddy permission to go fishing in the pond assuring them that "the farmer doesn't care" There is also some worry about getting sued if they get hurt but that isn't at the top of my list. All people the same? Nope, but it took only a few to sour me and I don't have the inclination to do any more sorting. I cut my own wood and I usually cut for 1-2 other needy families but nobody else cuts,,the rest rots so I guess in that sense I am no different than him. There was no reason to slam you personally, in that case I differ with him greatly.
 
He maybe got screwed sometime in the past and it left a bad taste in his mouth ever since. 30 years ago my dad had a guy come out and ask about cutting. They made a deal where the guy cut on shares. For every 3 truck loads he took he was to give 1 truck load to my dad. Seemed fair, didn't even have to split it. Wasn't long before he had 3 guys cutting with him and they cut and hauled alot and just told dad they would settle up at the end. The guys ended up taking 15-20 loads and my dad got 2 before he put up the gates. Ever since then its been no way get off my property sorta thing.

I can't blame him.
 
Well you tried. He just wsn't interested in allowing someone but himself to get any of the good from them.

It could have been his reserve for later years that hasn't gotten to the house.
 
It's a big waste of time trying to figure out what storms are brewing in the troubled caverns of some people's minds. Just be thankful that you didn't have to deal with him.

When we first moved to rural Arkansas someone stole my canoe while I was hunting deer on the far side of the stream below our house. I had to risk drowning to wade back across at dusk in neck deep swift waters. In telling one of our "neighbors" about it and asking him if he had seen a canoe around he replied "I don't know anything about it and if I did I wouldn't tell YOU! (what was up with that, I didn't even know the fellow?)

What's up with some people? I don't even want to know. I have a little extra wood right now that I would be willing to share with a good man but I hesitate to tell anyone because of so much trouble in the past with trying to be friendly with people that were weaned on lemon juice.

I hope you find the biggest lot of free, easy to get wood you've ever found!

Frank
 
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Well you tried. He just wsn't interested in allowing someone but himself to get any of the good from them.

It could have been his reserve for later years that hasn't gotten to the house.

My MO is "If you don't ask, the answer is no." You've asked twice, have been told no, so I say accept it and move on.

The guy sounds a bit prickly, which is too bad. But it takes all types to make the world go round. Don't lose any sleep or get your blood pressure up over this. Another opportunity will come along.

All the best,
Your friendly neighborhood woodbooga
 
The man has told you no twice, I would be inclined to leave him alone. It is the mans property and he may do as he pleases. Yes it maybe a waste of wood, thats his choice.

I wasnt planning on hassling the guy anymore, just to bring him some wood. They both kind of remind me of my grandparents.Both of em were Swedes, grandpa was the prickly kind of guy until you got to know him, but both were way to proud to ask for help when they need it. I figure a load of wood would help him out a bit, and make me feel better. it bothers me to see old folks trying to get by with very little. Who knows, maybe he made a ton of money on the logging and it is buried under the mattress, but from the looks of it, they could use a little help.
Thanks for all the replies guys.
 
I would say this gentleman has probably gotten burned some how too have an attitude like that? Honestly, your offer too cut and split some for him was very reasonable but hey, you can't please everyone. I'm sure it wasn't you in particular Avalancher, probably just some bug in his craw from Lord knows where? Shame too let it rot but possibly he got burned by the logger? Nice try and at least you gave it a go.
 
I wasnt planning on hassling the guy anymore, just to bring him some wood. They both kind of remind me of my grandparents.Both of em were Swedes, grandpa was the prickly kind of guy until you got to know him, but both were way to proud to ask for help when they need it. I figure a load of wood would help him out a bit, and make me feel better. it bothers me to see old folks trying to get by with very little. Who knows, maybe he made a ton of money on the logging and it is buried under the mattress, but from the looks of it, they could use a little help.
Thanks for all the replies guys.

He told you no handouts, something tells me he won't take yours. Old farmers are a different breed, even different than us young guns. They'd rather go cold, go hungry, and go broke than take a handout from anyone for any reason. I'm right with them there, but I put my family before my pride, he may not. They'll find a way to manage, they always do!
 
I was lucky

The "group" that bought the 600+ acres that surrounds our property had a logging outfit come in back in early spring on about a 20 acre tract that is across the raod from my driveway..needless to say, there are not many large old-growth trees in our area, which was logged hard in the early 1900's, and again in the mid to late 1950's. I think the owners ran them off, which presented the opportunity for me to go in and clean up the mess. There are also problems in my area with trespassers...hunters, ATV riders, etc., and everyone in the neighborhood is sick of it all. Shame the old guy didn't accept your help, I would have!:buttkick:
 
Hello,
If it was me, I wouldn't give that old jerk any wood........I wouldn't give a fellow like him the time of day. There are way too many a$$holes in the world !!!!!!

Basso
 
avalancher,

I agree with your thinking..........take him a load of wood, remind him that you are the guy who asked to cut some the other day (so he knows who you are). Sometimes these guys just have a thick crust, but once you break through they can be really nice. I wouldn't ask about cutting his wood any more and accept what you bring him as a loss before you even go over there. Leave them your name and number in case they ever need help or whatever and who knows what will become of it. If nothing else, you have done a wonderful deed. I see elderly folks sometimes that remind me of my grandparents and I almost feel a connection with them.....they make me smile.

As to what his problem is who knows? The ones clearing his land may have promised to do one thing and left him with a big mess, he may have always been this way or grown to be this way in his old age. Whatever the problem I imagine he is a nice guy down deep.

Good luck!

Waylan
 
avalancher,

I agree with your thinking..........take him a load of wood, remind him that you are the guy who asked to cut some the other day (so he knows who you are). Sometimes these guys just have a thick crust, but once you break through they can be really nice. I wouldn't ask about cutting his wood any more and accept what you bring him as a loss before you even go over there. Leave them your name and number in case they ever need help or whatever and who knows what will become of it. If nothing else, you have done a wonderful deed. I see elderly folks sometimes that remind me of my grandparents and I almost feel a connection with them.....they make me smile.

As to what his problem is who knows? The ones clearing his land may have promised to do one thing and left him with a big mess, he may have always been this way or grown to be this way in his old age. Whatever the problem I imagine he is a nice guy down deep.

Good luck!

Waylan

You and I think alike. Personally, I take it personal when someone has a gripe against me when I mean no harm. I hate it when people get a bad opinion of me when I am actually trying to help.
Load of wood on the way....maybe this weekend.
 
You shouldn't take it personally. And don't be surprised if he gets very upset if you pull in with a load of wood to give. If you are allowed to leave wood there, he WILL make you take something for it.
 
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