I would rather let it rot....
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biggen0_8
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There is a woods 1 mile from my house that had 1300 ash trees taken out of it 3 years ago. It took a bunch of internet research and several phone calls, but just this evening I received permission to cut in there this year. The owner lived a couple of counties away and at first didn't want anyone in there until the loggers were completed. Then he had to get permission from his siblings who are partners with him. Then he had a lawyer draw up a liability release form and requested a copy of my homeowners insurance. Alot of screwing around, but in this day and age I can understand the concern. And to only have to drive a mile to have access to that much good wood, it was worth it.
However, I do agree, there was never any reason for the guy to treat you like that. Those are the kind that need to be killed with kindness.
However, I do agree, there was never any reason for the guy to treat you like that. Those are the kind that need to be killed with kindness.
rx7145
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You ought to quit stalking the old guy while you are ahead!
You seemed convinced that this guy needs something from you.........when really your motive is to get wood from him and be buddies. It sounds like he doesn't want you around his place and you ought to respect his decision. I doubt he cared much for your talking to his wife after you last talked with him.
Maybe you should call her on the phone and see if she can talk to him for you before your visit.
Treeco maks some good points. But I would go with your gut. Think it over for a couple days. In my book your in the right.
rx7145
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litefoot
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I think you handled this pretty well. But don't take him wood!!! He'll think you cut it off his property. TreeCo makes a good point. No matter what you do from this point (even if you genuinely have no expectations in return) will be perceived as an attempt at persuasion.
PA Plumber
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There is a chance this old landowner used to politely tell folks "No" when they asked to use his property for any reason. Then they just didn't get it. They would come around again and he would tell them "No." Then they would talk to his wife and he would get a little annoyed and would tell his wife that he had already said "No" and why were they talking to her.
Then, there is a chance that he may be tired of all the bothering, his terms "beggars," and found when he uses stronger, a little more, offensive language, he only has to say "No" once. Or in this case, twice and maybe a third time when his wife tells him about your conversation.
Not reading anything into it, is just sounds like "No" to me.
If this was a "venting" or "ranting" thread, no problem.
If this is a Psychology 101 thread...Can't help you with that one.
Then, there is a chance that he may be tired of all the bothering, his terms "beggars," and found when he uses stronger, a little more, offensive language, he only has to say "No" once. Or in this case, twice and maybe a third time when his wife tells him about your conversation.
Not reading anything into it, is just sounds like "No" to me.
If this was a "venting" or "ranting" thread, no problem.
If this is a Psychology 101 thread...Can't help you with that one.
savageactor7
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I wouldn't go back there...maybe he trying to protect his pot plants.
the first two paragraphs are out of order, but the last is ok--my disagreement--yes aval wants the wood--but rem--if it sets on the ground much longer--itll be worth nothing--not even to the grouchYou ought to quit stalking the old guy while you are ahead!
You seemed convinced that this guy needs something from you.........when really your motive is to get wood from him and be buddies. It sounds like he doesn't want you around his place and you ought to respect his decision. I doubt he cared much for your talking to his wife after you last talked with him.
Maybe you should call her on the phone and see if she can talk to him for you before your visit.
Scootermsp
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Move On !
If someone showed up at my house with FREE wood, I'd think I was somehow about to be scammed. People don't usually drop wood off for free. I agree with TREE CO. Move on and save the wood for yourself. Also he INSULTED you by calling you a, "Lazy Beggar". Why in the world would you ever give this turd the time of day. Screw him and his rotting wood. Don't be anyone's doormat and don't whore yourself and your hard work out for this jerk. If you want to do a good deed, Call your local church and tell the pastor you'd like to donate some firewood to a needy family....they will steer you in the right direction.....don't feel bad about what he called you, I can tell you are a good person just by the way you are worried about what he thinks.
If someone showed up at my house with FREE wood, I'd think I was somehow about to be scammed. People don't usually drop wood off for free. I agree with TREE CO. Move on and save the wood for yourself. Also he INSULTED you by calling you a, "Lazy Beggar". Why in the world would you ever give this turd the time of day. Screw him and his rotting wood. Don't be anyone's doormat and don't whore yourself and your hard work out for this jerk. If you want to do a good deed, Call your local church and tell the pastor you'd like to donate some firewood to a needy family....they will steer you in the right direction.....don't feel bad about what he called you, I can tell you are a good person just by the way you are worried about what he thinks.
avalancher
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You ought to quit stalking the old guy while you are ahead!
You seemed convinced that this guy needs something from you.........when really your motive is to get wood from him and be buddies. It sounds like he doesn't want you around his place and you ought to respect his decision. I doubt he cared much for your talking to his wife after you last talked with him.
Maybe you should call her on the phone and see if she can talk to him for you before your visit.
TreeCo, I am beginning to think you dont like me much....
I dont think he needs anything from me and I really dont want to be his buddy. PERIOD.
I am beginning to really hate that I open my mouth on this board, but maybe that is your point eh TreeCo?
I was merily relating an experience that happened, one that had me a bit puzzled because I have never been called Lazy in my life, and wondered if other folks have had similiar experiences when asking for permission to cut wood.Personally, I havent had a lot of experience in asking private individuals before this year, I have always come along behind logging crews to do my woodcutting and had to ask companies for permission. Logging has come to a stand still around here, and this has forced me to ask private people.
Stalking?Not sure if I should laugh or get pissed.
Take it with a grain of salt!
the whole salt shaker---
You ought to quit stalking the old guy while you are ahead!
You seemed convinced that this guy needs something from you.........when really your motive is to get wood from him and be buddies. It sounds like he doesn't want you around his place and you ought to respect his decision. I doubt he cared much for your talking to his wife after you last talked with him.
Maybe you should call her on the phone and see if she can talk to him for you before your visit.
Hey that reminds me of the jehovah witnesses that were waking me up on saturday mornings. Then the last time, they went and told the cops i threw a rock at their car. Allegedly that is, hell anyone that coulda made that toss, with that rock, from that distance.......well.........now I am on a list and nobody comes here waking me up on saturday to help me out anymore.
works for me............leave the old guy be...as he asked.
logbutcher
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Hey that reminds me of the jehovah witnesses that were waking me up on saturday mornings. Then the last time, they went and told the cops i threw a rock at their car. Allegedly that is, hell anyone that coulda made that toss, with that rock, from that distance.......well.........now I am on a list and nobody comes here waking me up on saturday to help me out anymore.
works for me............leave the old guy be...as he asked.
Avalancher is reading too much into someone's motives. You are not his target....he may have a long history that has nothing to do with you. You mean well, he doesn't, but it's his land to do with as he wants.
Agreed with TreeCo and others that you are pushing it :agree2: , however well meant. Let it go.
BTW: we had those proselytyzing "visitors" come up our long rural drive almost every Sunday always with kids around. We did say "no interest" over and over. Finally one Sunday morning ( always in the morning ) I opened the door bare assed and smiling at the women and kids. Visits stopped. :jawdrop:
MR4WD
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It took him a long time to get that old and miserable; And he probably did it without you. Let him stay that way.
He's probably got more money than god's got followers. I'm sure if he was in a bind he'd sell land or GOD FORBID! Firewood. I'd be more than happy to kick somebody off my land, probably with a mossberg after they'd hassled me a few times.
Just because an old farmer looks beat up and broke doesn't mean he couldn't jerk a half hitch in your ass and buy you outright.
He's probably got more money than god's got followers. I'm sure if he was in a bind he'd sell land or GOD FORBID! Firewood. I'd be more than happy to kick somebody off my land, probably with a mossberg after they'd hassled me a few times.
Just because an old farmer looks beat up and broke doesn't mean he couldn't jerk a half hitch in your ass and buy you outright.
ktm rider
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If someone showed up at my house with FREE wood, I'd think I was somehow about to be scammed. People don't usually drop wood off for free. I agree with TREE CO. Move on and save the wood for yourself. Also he INSULTED you by calling you a, "Lazy Beggar". Why in the world would you ever give this turd the time of day. Screw him and his rotting wood. Don't be anyone's doormat and don't whore yourself and your hard work out for this jerk. If you want to do a good deed, Call your local church and tell the pastor you'd like to donate some firewood to a needy family....they will steer you in the right direction.....don't feel bad about what he called you, I can tell you are a good person just by the way you are worried about what he thinks.
Alot of guys here act as if this guy should have let Avalancher cut on his property no questions asked. Almost as if it is expected and this guy has no right to NOT let people cut on his property. and "Screw HIM" if he doesn't let you cut there...The Lazy beggar remark was obviously because he has seen him there before asking for the same thing.
Being a landowner myself( with a ton of wood on it) I don't blame this man. he has probably beened burned about as many times as I have.
I have heard it all before also,
* I will help you cut wood if you let me hunt here
* I'm an electrician and I will trade services for hunting privledges.
* I will only cut the wood laying on the ground.
* I will not drive through your fields since they are a bit soft from rain..
* I will help you bale hay in exchange for wood.
Well, these promises NEVER pan out. They either don't show up to help at all so the hunting privledges are gone for sure, OR they show up to hunt with 4-5 of their buddies and pretty much take over and have a total disreguard for deals stuck earlier in the year. I have caught people just flat out trespassing and cutting wood ( one of which I told NO just a week earlier) I have also caught a guy in my own dam treestand and they asked me if i had permission to hunt there !!!!!
I say good for that ol' man. It is his wood and if he wants to let it rot on the ground that is his choice as the land owner....Afterall, Avalancher ( although I'm sure he meant no harm) went up to HIS house. The Ol' man didn't go looking for a suitable arborist and then change his mind......I wouldn't advise a third trip out there, he might not be as nice as he was the past few trips...
Sorry, but this is a subject that has screwed me more times than I can count...
Husky137
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If I'd run you off twice, the third time would be trouble, regardless of what kind of bribe....er.... I mean..... peace offering you had with you. It's his property, his wood. Other than a couple of loads of wood, did you ever offer to actually pay for the wood?
boostnut
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The votes are in. Looks like you'd better move on.
I've met plenty of old farmers over the years and can understand his "attitude". Its already been explained well in this thread. He doesn't want your "help" and, much to your disbelief, probably doesn't need your donation.
I give you credit for your determination and good intentions but come on man, let it go.
I've met plenty of old farmers over the years and can understand his "attitude". Its already been explained well in this thread. He doesn't want your "help" and, much to your disbelief, probably doesn't need your donation.
I give you credit for your determination and good intentions but come on man, let it go.
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The whole driving through my hay fields after a rain thing will end your hunting privileges permanantly with me. Another one I love is when they ask if they can hunt on your property, and once you agree, all of a sudden it turns into him, his brother, his cousins, his buddies from work, etc... I told you that YOU could hunt here, not the whole family!
woodbooga
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Not to be repetative, but I'd let it be. Or at least reassess your strategy. Wouldn't set foot on the old timer's property again unless there's a sea change.
I don't know if this applies to Newport, but in my small town of 2,200, you're bound to bump into fellow townsfolk at the dump, the general store, the town hall, the lunch joint, etc. If you are bound and determined to get that wood, look forward to a chance encounter. Should one arise, talk about the weather or some other benign subject. Don't discuss cutting. Build the relationship. An opportunity might arise down the road.
That said, if I we're a Vegas handicapper, I'd give you pretty long odds on making this particular score. Sorry
I don't know if this applies to Newport, but in my small town of 2,200, you're bound to bump into fellow townsfolk at the dump, the general store, the town hall, the lunch joint, etc. If you are bound and determined to get that wood, look forward to a chance encounter. Should one arise, talk about the weather or some other benign subject. Don't discuss cutting. Build the relationship. An opportunity might arise down the road.
That said, if I we're a Vegas handicapper, I'd give you pretty long odds on making this particular score. Sorry
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