from my owm personal experience, in a variey of different work-places, is that generally one third of the work-force give damn near 100%, one third seem to think that the company owes them, and the remainder should just go home and stay there. At one company I sub to at the moment it seems that if it werent for subbies, the whole work-force would grind to a halt as they really think that "its only a job" and quite honestly they couldnt give a flying fig about whether its done right, or even gets done. Thankfully, being a subbie I do get to work with some darn fine professionals elsewhere, and that restores my faith in human nature.
i'm starting to see a pattern in the 20 something employees
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RedlineIt
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The twentysomethings don't give a bag of ???? about your company.
They saw Dad's 25 year career with ATT, GM, Exxon go down the poop-hole as the corporation made more money by downsizing and shipping jobs off-shore.
They watched Mom double up on her part-time hours while grey old Dad sucked it up and started again as a stock-boy at Wal-Mart.
The twenty to thirtys won't trust you to lead the company in the correct direction, they have good reason to believe you won't.
They can only respect a heirarchy that rewards competance.
They are the most likely employee to tell you when you are screwing things crosswise.
They are the first generation to be less loyal to the employer than vice versa. That ain't so dumb.
The way to get the best out of them is give them more and more to handle. They will either eat it up or spit it out.
RedlineIt
They saw Dad's 25 year career with ATT, GM, Exxon go down the poop-hole as the corporation made more money by downsizing and shipping jobs off-shore.
They watched Mom double up on her part-time hours while grey old Dad sucked it up and started again as a stock-boy at Wal-Mart.
The twenty to thirtys won't trust you to lead the company in the correct direction, they have good reason to believe you won't.
They can only respect a heirarchy that rewards competance.
They are the most likely employee to tell you when you are screwing things crosswise.
They are the first generation to be less loyal to the employer than vice versa. That ain't so dumb.
The way to get the best out of them is give them more and more to handle. They will either eat it up or spit it out.
RedlineIt
Nickrosis
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RedlineIt said:
I hear that, and any management class will confirm that.
Climb020
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I agree with the generalization but there are plenty of people that don't fall into it, including myself. I was taught hard work young and continue to work hard now. I find working harder makes the day got by alot quicker as apposed to slacking off. I exspecially like doing big tree and f*ck*d up tree pruning and rigging. Makes you really think. Plus i work 6-7 days a week and rec. climb when I can.
Nickrosis
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You'll find exceptions to the norms of results, it's that RedLineIt shared the rule that creates both the norms and the exceptions.
Newfie
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Nickrosis said:
I hear that, and any management class will confirm that.
Enough out of you. You overpriveleged slacker!
:hmm3grin2orange: Just kidding.
The twentysomethings don't give a bag of ???? about your company.
They saw Dad's 25 year career with ATT, GM, Exxon go down the poop-hole as the corporation made more money by downsizing and shipping jobs off-shore.
They watched Mom double up on her part-time hours while grey old Dad sucked it up and started again as a stock-boy at Wal-Mart.
The twenty to thirtys won't trust you to lead the company in the correct direction, they have good reason to believe you won't.
They can only respect a heirarchy that rewards competance.
They are the most likely employee to tell you when you are screwing things crosswise.
They are the first generation to be less loyal to the employer than vice versa. That ain't so dumb.
The way to get the best out of them is give them more and more to handle. They will either eat it up or spit it out.
RedlineIt
Heck yeah man.
They saw Dad's 25 year career with ATT, GM, Exxon go down the poop-hole as the corporation made more money by downsizing and shipping jobs off-shore.
They watched Mom double up on her part-time hours while grey old Dad sucked it up and started again as a stock-boy at Wal-Mart.
The twenty to thirtys won't trust you to lead the company in the correct direction, they have good reason to believe you won't.
They can only respect a heirarchy that rewards competance.
They are the most likely employee to tell you when you are screwing things crosswise.
They are the first generation to be less loyal to the employer than vice versa. That ain't so dumb.
The way to get the best out of them is give them more and more to handle. They will either eat it up or spit it out.
RedlineIt
Heck yeah man.
Nickrosis
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::Newfie said:Enough out of you. You overpriveleged slacker!
retends to be deeply offended:::
treephilosophy
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whats the difference
Whats the difference between a logger and an arborist?
Give up? Well an arborist knows the difference, the logger doesn't. The question you should be asking yourself is... Why?
jp hallman said:
Whats the difference between a logger and an arborist?
Give up? Well an arborist knows the difference, the logger doesn't. The question you should be asking yourself is... Why?
treeminator
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rb_in_va said:
hey i'm just telling you the way it is. i've seen molasses in winter move faster than the average 20 something tree worker.
i actually have evidence on video. i was videotaping a take down and the two guys pulling the rope were age 16 and 24. the tree fell exactly where i planned (yes i'm THAT goood !!!) and they walked to get their chainsaws. as they passed in front of the stationary video camera, you can clearly see the 16 year old's walking pace was twice the speed as the 24 year old's.
i've noticed the younger guys will "lap" the 20 to 34 yr olds when hauling debris back and forth at the jobsite.
Newfie
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treephilosophy said:
Hmm, that's an interesting statement. A dedicated treelover looking for a whole tree chipper, that's even more amusing.
ASD
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treeminator said:
i wish i could get all my workers at the high school 
16 ??? i would burn that tape before the labor bored got a look at it.
SteveBullman
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i was reminded of this thread earlier today when an employee of the company i was climbing for asked the boss if he would clean his 357's air filter for him as it was blocked!!!
this lad has been doing tree work for about 9 months i believe, has all his chainsaw tickets, just bone idle!
the boss rightly told him to sling his hook
this lad has been doing tree work for about 9 months i believe, has all his chainsaw tickets, just bone idle!
the boss rightly told him to sling his hook
treeminator said:
It's not all about speed. If the BOY hauls one twig at a time while the MAN hauls a cradle full of debris at a time, they may get an equivalent amount of work done. Although if you're hiring 16 year olds and 34 year olds to do the same job I would re-evaluate your hiring methods. Although taking into consideration your inability to understand why a Stihl is better than a Craftsman saw, your judgement is highly suspect. Let's see the video.
Treeminator is dead right...here's the proof to back it up.
http://www.localhost.nl/stuff/flash/idiot.swf
http://www.localhost.nl/stuff/flash/idiot.swf
treeminator
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ASD said:
16 ??? i would burn that tape before the labor bored got a look at it.
i don't rectruit from the high schools, i recruit from fast food places and retail stores. stock people are the best since they are used to heavily lifting. this one in particular was a bag boy at Publix Supermarket. he's estatic to be earning $8/hr. i'll have him climbing by next week and if he's good, i'll give him a $1/hr raise so he can pay for his own worker's comp.
his mother signed a consent form so everything's fine.
tophopper
ArboristSite Guru
treeminator said:
You are the employer,YOU are responsible to carry WC not him.
