Inducing barberchair (twist)

[xtremetrees]

I caught some flak from some of the writers here about using no notch and just backcutting trees.

Sure its dangerous (no notch). Sure the wood breaks, splinters, and cracks but the tree stays on the stump.
Ive never had this technique fail me thought i have only used it a few times and seen it fewer
When I did use it, saved mega time and was a zero damage move.

Cant you treat a old dog new tricks?
1.
No notch is limited to when you got lots of pull!
A rounded growth habit or a decurrent shaped not good for this
.Medium size pine this works fine
2
You know hanging a whole tree with another and blowing out a limb you thought wood hold. Thinking I should have installed a false crotch..

3.
Or, notcchin a North Leaner West. Hang it in a close tree no matter where N,S,E,W just so its taller Then begin making your back cut even with your notch and and watching after you stepped away it twist on the stump, crack, splinter, wobble, but hold and stay right there on the stump.Just like a windshied wiper on your car "swooosh" right over to the chipper and watch the jaws drop!
I agree its dangerous.

The back cut. (no notch)Ive seen Mountain climbers use the stump wood holding abilities far more so than flatlanders. Something about, "it will bomb the house down dar."

This is all on the ground work a good ground man could cut it.

in a dense forest the climber would never have to return to the ground. All the trees layed down and cut on the ground

 

[ORclimber]

Sounds like your saying you WANT the tree to barberchair. Sounds risky and out of control. Why not just face it in the direction you want it to fall and use pull ropes to offset the lean.

 

[xtremetrees]

Roger that ORclimber,
But say you couldnt fall the tree there was a drive way by the treeand you wanted it to stay on the stump

 

[ORclimber]

Originally posted by xtremetrees
Roger that ORclimber,
But say you couldnt fall the tree there was a drive way by the treeand you wanted it to stay on the stump

Barberchairs scare me. I'd probably set up something to protect the driveway and/or use a shallow wide face.

 

[Stumper]

Xtreme, I do hinge trees without a notch-if they are under 8 inches in diameter! If I want to keep a big tree on the stump then it is time for an open face notch or block notch (never used a block notch but it could work) If the faces can't close before the tree lays down then the hinge doesn't have to tear off. I don't really see a need to keep a tree attached to the stump very often. Seperating the butt from the stump doesn't mean that the butt has to go bouncing around ya know.:angel:

 

[xtremetrees]

Great post Stumper as always.
You told me a year or so back about lion-tailing trees you said, " Liontailing is forcing the tree to an overmature appearance."
That made scence to me I'd never heard it put like that.

 

[xtremetrees]

IAfter years of preparation I took the Armorist exam.
I only failed two section Id and Diagnosis.

I asked the guy administering the trees if he had heard of this place. And these people.A few of the famous ones and he had not he asked his co-proctor if he had, he said no.

I wanted to ask the 40 or so people if they had heard of Sherrill.
I did not.
I figured 30 % of exam takers did not know Husky.
I figured 40% of exam takers did not run saws.
Leaving us the one in it, on it, below it, and above it about 30%
of us, taking a test that wasnt designed for us but rather sucks from us.

I heard TCI is pulling for a man in the White House to represent trees. I would nominate you for such a position stumper.

:angel:

 

[Stumper]

Kind words Xtreme-thanks. I'm not sure about going to the White House. The present occupant seems like a decent sort even if I don't agree with him on some things but I'm not sure that, after 4 years, enough disinfectant has been used to clean up after previous tenants.

I know that was not nice but I still am disgusted by the dishonour to the office that Slick sullied our nation with.

 

[pe5572]

barberchair

to get more control in the felling you need a noutch. if not the tree goes were it wants to not were you want it ot .you may have been lucky ,but luck not 100%. it only takes 1 time not to work and your saying i'm sorry to a customor, and may be losing out on more business. from other people watching you try to be lucky instead of prof. and skillful.

 

[OutOnaLimb]

I got the chance to do the clean up after a guy who had been doing this for 20+ years took an 066 to a cottonwood that was about 36" bhd and leaning at about a 45 degree angle. He got about a third of the way through the trunk, and as the home owner said, "the tree just exploded" Yeah, the thing barber chaired and popped up and broke his arm it two places and it kicked the saw back and he recieved 277 staples across his chest.Not a pretty sight. As soon as I got called to the sight and talked to the home owner I knew exactly what had happened. it was a "freak accident" Totally not true, if he would have made a face cut, and then did a bore cut to the hindge, and then cut out the tension this guy wouldnt be selling his bucket truck and going out of business.


Kenn

 

[bottlefed89]

I'd agree with stumper in that 8" and smaller trees, I'll cut straigh through, but mostly just for the ease of it, and even then only if they are balanced pretty neutrally. I may be missing something, and I haven;t been on here long, but when you say

But say you couldnt fall the tree there was a drive way by the treeand you wanted it to stay on the stump

What does that gain you?? All you have then is a hopefully non-barbered tree that you have to do something with. It still has to go somewhere, right??

 

[xtremetrees]

Sorry bou that Kenn,

THe application of twisting a tree on its stump, by using nearby trees as sortof a crane of sorts with a notch for directional control is cruitial., and pull ropes to get it to go. Is mostly the groundmans job.

The climber will never have to hit the ground.
He simply sets ropes. Using the tree as a higher rigging point a crane turns carpet bombing into zero ground impact. Going up sometimes with as many as 5 Using a pole saw re-direct landing in neighbor s yard. Hanging trees with other trees
would be the only time I may induce twisting of the stump holding wood. I have thou in short understory of say 40 foot live oak. Which is what we have on the East Coast of Ga.
I always notch, if I could levitate the trees like MB I wouldnt have to as much. Thou I was taught to alway notch oposite the choker with cranes this technique worked for a year on a 21 tonner. I didnt like it notching them easy cuts. Thought one day i can just cut it it is to simple these guy complicate. . Finally got to on a dead one. Good think I had my Hard hat on the limbs were breakin all out.
The tree sounded as if dead a 20 year veteran. wow
I'm sorry you ran into that.
I lost my best friend last year to trees. I do not know why of all the things we do to keep us safe.I do not mean to appear unsafe in any manner.

 

[xtremetrees]

Yes bottle fed,
The force of impact which is little due to splintering verticalythe impact of the crown 50 feet away is minimal. Sure it makes a mess this splintering from pulling over tree with force straight across a driveway say a 5 foot section will be splintered.. The tree stays approximately 3 feet off the ground as well. Or where ever you decided to back cut it.
I did notice the praticitioner of the move tended to stick his saw as the splintering began to occur.
You see this alot where Hurricans are involved Ive observed a forest clear cut at 50 feet in the air!.

 

[bottlefed89]

oh

with that explanation it makes more sense to me, I'd like to see it done. I've never seen anyone do that.
Got any pics??

 

[xtremetrees]

Yes bottlefed I belive I do. On a instant camera
Ill have to devlope them soon

 

[bottlefed89]

well

throw them up here when you get a chance... I am interested in the technique.
greg

 

[xtremetrees]

Thank you for the interest. Ive noticed if a notch was scored in the face of the direction pulling, even the slightest scoreing will cause failure and tree seperation. The force of what ever is pulling say a truck vs a 4x4 vs a skidder. That force will determine the amount of wood left as splintering flexiable wood.

 

[mtcates]

I have on occasion had a situation where I could fell a tree over a retaining wall. If I could keep the butt of the tree attached to a high stump, I could fell the tree without damage to the wall. I have in the past just used a heavy chain and tied the butt of the tree to a high cut stump, just as if I were blocking down a large piece on a stem, only a much larger piece. I have done this many times and I have never had the butt of the tree break a heavy chain. I just use common sense and limit the size of tree to about 18 to 20 inches.

 

[xtremetrees]

I have never cut them high like that over a retaining wall mt. Thou I can see how it could be done. I wouldnt do it. It would reduce your escape route alot. On cuts like this I certainly need alot of different escape routes.I have secured the butt to itself with straps before but didnt like that.

 

[mtcates]

xtremetrees.........I am not on the tree when I make a cut like this. I just cut it head high standing on the ground. When it starts to fall I'm out of there!!!!! The chain keeps the butt a few feet off the ground.