Killed my Dolmar 5100S??

[Javelin]

Were is an 041 bringing that kind of money?

 

[cuttinscott]

:monkey:

041.......now your talking 30 and 40 year old saws........and they still
bring $200 to $400 easy

When we moved the store back in 02' I scrapped a dumpster full of 011,015,020,031,032,041,044,056,064 etc. Many had rotted crankcases, stripped holes, blow ups, smashes, you know the drill. In the 02' move you could of filled a 20 yard truck with what we scrapped all makes and models, That was the second cleanout we did one before that back in 97' that filled a 16' stakebody truck twice.


I have been through a few saws over the years. Many many trades that were too far gone to resell.


Scott

 

[Trigger-Time]

Were is an 041 bringing that kind of money?

Check out ebay

I sold this one on ebay with out bar and chain for $184 plus shipping.

http://i116.photobucket.com/player..../albums/o27/Trigger-Time_photos/Movie/041.flv

 

[Peacock]

When we moved the store back in 02' I scrapped a dumpster full of 011,015,020,031,032,041,044,056,064 etc. Many had rotted crankcases, stripped holes, blow ups, smashes, you know the drill. In the 02' move you could of filled a 20 yard truck with what we scrapped all makes and models, That was the second cleanout we did one before that back in 97' that filled a 16' stakebody truck twice.


I have been through a few saws over the years. Many many trades that were too far gone to resell.


Scott

What's your point? Husky, Dolmar and any other quality saw is made of the same materials that are just as susceptible to the same stuff.

 

[cuttinscott]

What's your point? Husky, Dolmar and any other quality saw is made of the same materials that are just as susceptible to the same stuff.

My point is that Andy (lakeside53) said Stihls LAST 20 YEARS under professional hard use I call that bullch!t.........



Scott

 

[Bowtie]

...And now we have another thread gone to hell because of the brand war...:chatter:

 

[Javelin]

At least everyone is commited!

$200 for an o41 is not to bad but not any $400 like what was said!

 

[Trigger-Time]

The Stihl dealers near me charge $15 to tune the saws. I was told that they should NOT be run out of the box, they will blow up. Set too lean at the factory to pass emissions. Instant $5,000 fine if they don't pass. I am thinking that the saws are just set too lean and the dealers have not richened them up. The new saws can only be richened to the rich side of lean anyhow. Without taking off the limiters. Donny Walker from Walkers Saw shop said that for a while the 660 were all blowing up. Its not that they are bad saws, but that the limiters were set at a CRAZY lean setting. So the old carbs HAD to go in to tune them to a healthy setting.

Dave.

I'm in the back of my Stihl dealer often when they fire up new out of the box saw's.
They sell a bunch of saw's, they have 75 to 150 Stihl saws at any given time

I have yet to see mec mess with carb. I was their when my MS200, MS200T, MS260
MS361, MS440, MS460, MS660 and MS880 where fired up the first time. None of them
had any carb setting changes at dealer........after DP covers and muffler mods I reset the carb's

 

[Trigger-Time]

At least everyone is commited!

$200 for an o41 is not to bad but not any $400 like what was said!

Priced, any nice 041 supers?

 

[THALL10326]

Dayuuummmmmmmmmmm

This thread is getting meaner all the time. Seems ole Lake has ruffled Scotts feathers a tad. Me, I used to love getting in these kinds of threads but I've gotton old I guess, ole geezer me done mellowed out. While they is a figthin I think I just sit back and play a tune by Wayon Jennings. What was it called, awww yes, Moma Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Sawmen,hehe

Take note thats a old Stihl guitar there, a oldie that plays as good as any new one ya can buy today,LOL

 

[cuttinscott]

This thread is getting meaner all the time. Seems ole Lake has ruffled Scotts feathers a tad. Me, I used to love getting in these kinds of threads but I've gotton old I guess, ole geezer me done mellowed out. While they is a figthin I think I just sit back and play a tune by Wayon Jennings. What was it called, awww yes, Moma Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Sawmen,hehe

Take note thats a old Stihl guitar there, a oldie that plays as good as any new one ya can buy today,LOL

Wood that be OLE ELVIS playing his stihl geeetar.....
Hows it going ole buddy.........


Scott

 

[THALL10326]

Wood that be OLE ELVIS playing his stihl geeetar.....
Hows it going ole buddy.........


Scott

There you is you oreny cuss,LOL Yup tat be da King, how ya like that doo on the feller, pretty aint it, my the women, they always wanting to touch ma hair. Gonna start charging them for long,haha

I see you and Lake are poking at each other. Don't yaw mind me, yaw proceed, if one of yaw kills the utter I'll play Peace in The Valley for the one gone down,LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[grandpatractor]

Welp, I suspect that we will be seeing more and more of these type of failures. As the EPA continues to go off the deep end and the saw manufacturers sqeeze more power out of the same displacement there becomes less and less room for error when tuning these saws. It is happening in all engine makers. Cat and Cummins on down to Polaris and Yamaha. Reliability is going downhill with these guys trying to meet emissions and economy. 2 stroke engines are more suseptable because they don't have the electronics and sensors to detect what is happening in these engines.
They can't adjust themselves for different fuels like a car engine can.
There needs to be a fuel available like they have in "Troll Land" that is made just for these small engines. But then you need a politician to come up with that bright idea-good luck!

 

[cuttinscott]

Welp, I suspect that we will be seeing more and more of these type of failures. As the EPA continues to go off the deep end and the saw manufacturers sqeeze more power out of the same displacement there becomes less and less room for error when tuning these saws. It is happening in all engine makers. Cat and Cummins on down to Polaris and Yamaha. Reliability is going downhill with these guys trying to meet emissions and economy. 2 stroke engines are more suseptable because they don't have the electronics and sensors to detect what is happening in these engines.
They can't adjust themselves for different fuels like a car engine can.
There needs to be a fuel available like they have in "Troll Land" that is made just for these small engines. But then you need a politician to come up with that bright idea-good luck!

I hear that CAT is pulling the plug on production of truck engines and going to focus on off road engines...........Thank the EPA

Also Tecumseh is closing down their engine plant for good... Thank You again EPA



Scott

 

[THALL10326]

Killed a 5100 , no big deal, try dealing with these

Before your eyes you have LowLife Dirty Dapper Dan on the left. On the right you have MeanAzz Freaky Frank. These guys are in my little shop all the time. Talk about a hoot, these guys are hilarious. Both in their 70's and both telling jokes one right after the other. This is as good as it gets in any saw shop. These old suckers come in and give me a fit, I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[Ole Farmerbuck]

I guess thats why they make repair parts. Fix it up and get to cuttin!!

 

[Lakeside53]

My point is that Andy (lakeside53) said Stihls LAST 20 YEARS under professional hard use I call that bullch!t.........



Scott

I never said that.... and you know I didn't... Nice "professional" insert I was being flippent... you know.. with a LOLOLOl




But... I do know pro's that have has them rebuilt time and time again, and some are 18 years old... In fact have one on my bench right now. It's had 2 top ends (and still has 145 comp) and now need main bearings. I bet he has 5000 hours on it.

 

[Lakeside53]

I suspect that when you open the gas cap on a Stihl with 90-100 day old E10 gas it smells like ROSES too...............




Scott

90 days? Smells just like normal gas to me... even if it's in a Husky. It take a lot longer to "smell bad".

I'm sure you have customers like mine - they only use their saws in the spring, and every spring they bring them in. One year old gas starts to stink, but it take a couple to get really bad.


Edit... Slow night on TV.. Went down to dug my 361 out from under the bench - it's been there since August when I sold the modded muffler. Tank half full of gas. Smelled like gas, and looked fine. May not have had the "pep" and "fizz" of brand new gas, but.. No separation or noticeable color change. This gas was from a bulk can that might have been another month or two older. It smells like Shell (very distinctive out here) and although I can't swear it's E10, it's most likely as all gas has been this way in King County since last winter. It would definitely have been 93 -I don't buy anything else, and 50:1 Ultra. So... fitted my new muffler, 6 pulls and it fired up. Idled fine, ran fine. Neighbors will be pissed so I'm not cutting wood... Tomorrow I'll just top up the tank with 2 month old gas from my can.

I still say 90 days is safe, and don't advocate using 6 month old gas. On the other hand, I often do... I know when my saw are running right... and unlike some, if they aren't I stop and figure out why. I'm also not a carb fiddler. Other than a seasonal adjustment in winter/late spring, I rarely tune my saws other than to change to milling and back on the larger saws. They are set a tad to the rich side - that way I don't have to worry at all.

I'm not trying to pick any fights over gas, but I do think it's "in vogue" to blame it for many unrelated ills. Sure, in some parts of the county in hot weather it might not be as stable, and maybe some local blends suck, but Idon't see any trend evidence that OPE is worse then 5 years ago. And I do see a heck of a lot of "owned by idiots" OPE...

 

[Lakeside53]

The Stihl dealers near me charge $15 to tune the saws. I was told that they should NOT be run out of the box, they will blow up. Set too lean at the factory to pass emissions. Instant $5,000 fine if they don't pass. I am thinking that the saws are just set too lean and the dealers have not richened them up. The new saws can only be richened to the rich side of lean anyhow. Without taking off the limiters. Donny Walker from Walkers Saw shop said that for a while the 660 were all blowing up. Its not that they are bad saws, but that the limiters were set at a CRAZY lean setting. So the old carbs HAD to go in to tune them to a healthy setting.

Dave.

Someone is feeding you buckets of BS... or maybe it's "different" in Canada? South of the border... 066/60 have had limiter caps since 2000 or so. New old carbs? Removing the limiter tabs does the same thing. I can see guy punching holes in their muffers (or getting Walkers to do it for them) like they always did, and not being able to returne the crab richer... but...

 

[mountainlake]

A logger friend of mine had a couple of 660's fry, had them rebuilt under warrenty, I took a look at the exhaust after being rebuilt, just about pure white, I"m sure they weren't set to lean, must have been bad seals or carb boot after 2 months. Steve