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I need a discussion on the different pistons available. What is your opinion on aftermarket pistons? Maybe a best to worst list. You know there are so many now. Is there any that beat or are as good as OEM? I have heard Hiway, Forester, and Meteor are good ones but maybe Farmertec not so good. What say you?
 
I used a farmetec piston with a caber ring before and it seems fine. I haven't put enough run time to tell. It's on a husqvarna 50 with the original cylinder.

I ordered a tecomec piston and ring kit for an 028 super but I haven't used it yet. It looks well made and it's made in Italy


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Meteor probably has the best quality across it's entire piston production. Thier 395 piston is pretty nice, not OEM but right close. Their 1125 pistons can be a mess.

Tecomec was probably second to Meteor, as some were kinda super crappy sometimes. The 365 pistons are/were functional but super crappy. Still will use them as long as I can get them at the price I paid. Would be really pissed if I paid Meteor price or even Hyway price for them.

Hyway makes some decent pistons sometimes, at least they look good. Pins might not fit tight, clips may or may not work, etc. etc.. I use them if an alternative is not availible. Got to check the rings, clips, etc. and then roll the dice. That phrase "roll the dice" should be the motto.

"Need a piston? Enjoy life on the edge? Roll the dice, Hyway style!"

Meteors motto should be "Don't get Hywayed, Ride the Meteor!".

Tecomec's. "We out of business, still better than most!".

Not sure it is possible to endorse an AM brand wholesale for it's piston line up. I really enjoy having the AM options for the pistons however I view the saws as toys not tools once an AM piston is installed. Hyway products have improved(greatly in many cases) from the early days. Also all of the brands make changes to the products from time to time. Just because it was a good or bad piston a while ago does not mean it will be this time or even that it will be the same design. Winged versus non winged for example. Really do not know until it is in your hand, in terms of AM parts your source is as important as the brand. How easy are they to deal with if the piston is bad out of the box.

It seems like a pretty fluid area of branding for products, names come and go or get a bit different perhaps, sometimes there does not seem to be a name, etc..

AM pistons provide an excellent opportunity to play with inexpensive parts for a large variety of saws. Low use saws they can be a decent alternative. They are also producing pistons no longer availible OEM, have to applaud that.

I would recommend if you are inquiring about specific saws to start a thread pertaining to the use of AM pistons for that specific saw model. Ask when and where the pistons came from? There has been a serious decrease in the amount of failed AM piston threads over the years so that could be a very good indicator of people's experience. I buy them and will continue.

A run of pistons and cylinders for the older Dolmars and Olympyks would be a nice addition, as would be 1100-2100 p/c sets. Just putting it out there.
 
Meteor,Hyway, Cross, Tacomec, nonameChineses, then it's a toss up between a Dog Turd, and a Golf brand piston.
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I'm pretty sure they encourage on the job drinking at Golf. -Expecially the guys who design and install ring the locator pins.
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Does anyone know who makes the l'il red barn branded pistons?
They seem ok too.
 
At least a couple of the LRB pistons are made in Taiwan not China as per a line in the pistons description. Nice assortment of NLA pistons availible there. I have not used any LRB branded products, that I can remember at least.

Supposedly a drop in replacement for the 2077/2083 Jonsereds, as well as some Mccullochs and Homelites.
 
At least a couple of the LRB pistons are made in Taiwan not China as per a line in the pistons description. Nice assortment of NLA pistons availible there. I have not used any LRB branded products, that I can remember at least.

Supposedly a drop in replacement for the 2077/2083 Jonsereds, as well as some Mccullochs and Homelites.
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I had an old Partner K1200 Mark II that needed a piston, and I got one from them. Those things a NLA to the 10th power.
 
In general - Aftermarket pistons include pretty awful rings and dreadful circlips. 80% of the aftermarket pistons out there would be markedly improved by installing OEM or Caber rings and nice OEM (stihl, husky or echo) circlips.
That turns a $15 parts bill into a $29 parts bill but I think it is worth it. And that price difference is why they include the crappy components :(
If you swap good rings and circlips into your project make sure they fit the piston, some models from some manufacturers use a different thickness of ring (standard are 1.5 and 1.2mm) and some pistons have a clip groove that is a different size than OEM which may leave you clip searching for something good from an OEM manufacturer that fits.

Brad rightly mentions above that Cabers come in two "versions". The F-Cast are supposedly longer wearing by virtue of being a harder, stiffer alloy. The bad side of that trade-off is that they can be rough on a rare cylinder of marginal plating quality that you might be trying to re-use and they seat more slowly, taking longer to come to full compression. Also they are easier to break when installing, like alot easier....like make you mad and you throw stuff around the shop cause you broke two in a row.
Pick your poison, but all the builders I supply prefer the standard version.

Meteor - i like their pistons and they come with Cabers which is nice, I am not overjoyed at the variety of different circlip styles, but I dont remember eve having one come loose.
Meteor and Caber are the same company now after a merger a few years back. Meteor is the OEM supplier for some of the pistons in saws you might have in your garage, and Cabers are used in OEM applications as well.
Contractually they may not advertise which brands they manufacture for as an OEM supplier but you have heard of them for sure :)
They also manufacture scooter/moped/motorcycle and ATV pistons.
Their Cylinders for cylinders are on the high side of decent with only one model (MS260 44.7mm) having been crap in my experience and they pulled it from the market when we told them about it.
Always good to deal with and take care of any problems or warranty claims quickly.
SLOW SLOW slow all of italy must be on the most relaxed schedule of all time :)

Hyway - I have used several without problems, but not as many as other guys here for sure, they have strong US distribution (Site Sponsor) which is nice and makes communication quick and easy.
I have never heard anybody say anything bad about them.

Tecomec - used to be a great manufacturer of aftermarket stuff as far back as the mid 80's, now defunct and the stuff you see labelled Tecomec is likely knock-off junk

Farmertec - I sell a heap-ton, because they are cheap. If you need a piston to your door for less than $15.00 it is the best option. That being said there are some craptacular failures in their offerings as well. Brannain let me know the other day that the farmertec 051 piston isn't suitable to use a doorknob let alone a piston in a chainsaw. By this point most of the models they sell alot of are at least decent. Several models are actually pretty great as long as you use real rings and circlips.
For the MS390 piston which also is included in their very nice cylinder kit, the circlips suck and the clip groove in the piston doesn't take an OEM clip well either :(
Best option there is to clip off the ears very short.
Would I use a Farmertec piston in a low hours pro model that is otherwise in great shape? No
Would I use it in a homeowner or farm and ranch saw or otherwise less desirable saw? Yep
They also on many models do not have the detent in the clip groove set deep enough to use a pic to pull out an earless circlip, which is a big design flaw imho.

NWP - new west products from Taiwan - I love thier cylinder kits though some models are not great for porting as the Nikasil plating stops a tiny bit below the top and porting guys like to do stuff to a cylinder that makes that a hassle.
I sell fewer of their pistons than Farmertec because they are nicer and more $$ In general very clean without the flash boogers you sometimes see on cheaper pistons.

NWP - Baileys house brand - as far as I know and have been told Baileys (site sponsors) have the USA trademark for "NWP" and the products you get from them are not New West and can be literally anything they want to label that way.
That makes me nervous and though I have bought from them with great results I have never used a piston or cylinder from them.

Forester - Golf and a billion other names (including some Farmertec models for sure) are really just that NAMES. They are not manufactured by these companies and the parts are bought in large bulk from the cheapest bidder for what the supplier needs at any particular time. Remember when Golf had a run of great pistons and everybody loved them and then a few months later the same piston in the same box was crap? Well that's why. And it doesnt happen all at once because all of them run out of different product at different speeds. They might buy the same piston three times in a row and have a two year span of reliable pistons and then go in the ******* when that manufacturer is out of stock and they buy something elsewhere.

Many times in dealing with "Brands" overseas I get the feeling that they buy or manufacture parts without ever seeing, running or working on the product the part is for at all.
If you tell them the circlip is of poor quality and bends easily, they will apologize and are then pretty likely to send you free replacements tat are identical to the originals or different but just as crappy.

I hear good and bad about Raisman, but haven't used or sold any of their products that I know of.
That's my .46 worth
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Doesn't Meteor make Caber rings?

Meteor bought Caber in 1980: since the late 90's both Meteor pistons and Caber rings have been manufactured in the same factory near Turin.
As I think I said before (age and medications are definitely not cool), Meteor's first line of business is OE and in particular agri/industrial diesel engine pistons and rings. In short they are as good as OE, you'll hear nothing but good things about them from me.
 
The Cross brand cylinder kit and pistons come with Caber rings, and I think the TS420 cylinder kits have more power than an OEM.
Indeed Cross seems to be well thought out and the kits put together with Cabers is a big plus, I cant believe I forgot them. I sell them for cryin' out loud :)

Wiseco is another one that is definitely not a crappy cheapo, I havent used any but they are high end pistons aimed at racing from what I think I know.
 
Did this ever get addressed?

Dont take this as any kind of knock on LRB.
Many parts stores have their own brand and would prefer that customers not know where they are manufactured, so they dont have the temptation to cut out the middleman.
This goes for distributers like Forester, Stens, Rotary, etc.
Little Red Barn have been stand up guys in all my dealings with them.
They offer an Aftermarket 064 Cylinder with a decompression port that I sent to JMSSaws for a build he was doing for an older client who didn't want to give up his beloved 064 but was having trouble drop starting it.
Jason loved the cylinder and the client loved it as well.
 
I was looking for an obsolete piston for a saw. I looked online for a piston for that saw and the only one I could find was a made in India piston. So maybe they are connected?

There are several Indian companies which bought tooling and designs from Western (usually American and British) firms for a song and dance, either when said companies went out of business or when they stopped supporting a certain line of products. Apart from pistons I can think of gearboxes shafts and gears for obscure British tractors and the like.
This business model was originally invented by Taiwanese firms which used to buy tooling and designs from the Japanese at the end of the line: this was chiefly done with mopeds and motorcycles but sometimes pistons and rings for old Yamaha and Suzuki pump/generator engines crop up. Apparently Taiwanese firms are under some sort of agreements with the Japanese not to sell these spare parts on some markets, albeit with most Japanese manufacturers having wihdrawn from the power equipment market in Europe and the US this makes less and less sense.
 
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