Huh? You act as if I insulted you. I was just suggesting that we've had your property for over a year and it's time to send it back. Enough people have used it for all of us to get an idea of it's worth.
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I'm sure it is a great invention but for that price I can't see anyone here buying it. I bought a 6 lb maul and a fiberglass handle for $40 and it works just fine. I also think most people who burn wood here are doing it to save money, I have to admit I am cheap and watch every penny now days. If a person can afford to spend over $200 for a splitting maul they can probably be happy to just burn propane for heat.
Finland
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Hi
I am very sorry for this global slack of which we all suffer in these days in a way or an other. It does not mean that we should give up, on the contrary, we must struggle more than ever before to get better future some day. Meanwhile that day comes there is a good change to become acquainted for instance to new inventions, when ever it is possible. Later, when the economy is better, you can consider again.... This opportunity does no cost you much. One day the exchange rate can be totally opposite.
Today's situation cannot last forever.
Attached is one of the feedbacks what I have got from one of my American customers..png "Love :heart:")
Aihe: Vipukirves Christmas Present
Päiväys: 31.12.2008 14:17
Lähettäjä: Gary X [[email protected]]
Kopio: Gary X [[email protected]]
Dear Sir:
I saw videos showing your axe in operation on the Internet. I was so
impressed by the videos that I hinted to my family to get me one for
Christmas. My daughter, Kelly X, of St. Joseph, Illinois, USA,
did purchase the axe for me.
I was THRILLED to open the box on Christmas morning. The quality,
appearance, and construction of the tool was just what I had hoped it
would be. I was also impressed that my daughter would have gone to
the expense to have purchased the item and paid for the shipping to
get it here. Obviously, it is something of an extravagance, but I do
enjoy dealing with firewood. At my age (63) I guess the axe could be
thought of as an investment as a piece of "exercise equipment" as I do
think there is a health benefit from doing all the tasks related to
getting wood cut, moved, split, burned, and so on.
I was a little worried as to whether the axe would perform in a way
that would justify the cost. I had read a semi-scientific evaluation
of the axe at this internet location:
http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?t=46925&page=8
The article is not entirely favorable to the Vipukirves and says
that the axe would have problems with the hard varieties of wood we
have in this part of the world. I was particularly concerned as I
split a great deal of Red Oak. I read this article AFTER I had hinted
to my family that I would like this axe for a gift.
So, when I went out to split about 15 rounds of recently cut red oak,
averaging around 25 to 30 inches in diameter and about 16 inches in
length (basically trunk wood) I wondered how the axe would work. I
hoped that I would not have added an extremely expensive, but little
used tool to my garage.
The axe performed beyond my expectations!! I could not have been more
wrong in doubting whether this tool would work for me. With my family
watching through the dining room window, I blasted through a sizeable
stack of red oak in short order!! They were impressed with the amount
of power the old guy (me) could generate and were genuinely impressed
with the tangled knot wood i was splitting.
As I had watched a lot of video of the axe in action, I felt I knew a
little about the technique to be used. It did not take long for me to
feel as though I was using the axe in the intended manner. I produced
decent sized spits (for my woodstove) and did so very quickly. I used
a chopping block with a tire as you show in your videos. I would say
I can swing an axe with considerable force (I can hit a golf ball over
300 yards) so I may not be a typical user. However, I did split
through knots in the red oak. I was extremely impressed with the
amount of splitting force being brought to bear on the knots I was
going through. Again, I was quite impressed and produced much better
results than I thought I would get after having read the Arborsite
article.
As with any man powered device used in attacking a tough round of oak,
judgement must be used. There are techniques learned over the years
in splitting wood and those must be applied with the Vipukirves, too,
or you will waste a lot of energy. Techniques and knowledge of how
splitting wood works (at least with a non hydraulic man powered
device) are essential.
But, if you do know a thing or two about splitting wood, this
Vipukirves is a fabulous tool. No matter what the cost, if you like
making firewood, and you consider it a fun and challenging activity,
this is the best item you can buy.
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL PRODUCT AND I LOOK
FORWARD TO USING IT FOR YEARS TO COME.
Sincerely,
Gary X
(axe was purchased by my daughter, Kelly X)
Thank you for reading all this.
Best regards
Heikki, the inventor
http://www.vipukirves.fi
Hi
I am very sorry for this global slack of which we all suffer in these days in a way or an other. It does not mean that we should give up, on the contrary, we must struggle more than ever before to get better future some day. Meanwhile that day comes there is a good change to become acquainted for instance to new inventions, when ever it is possible. Later, when the economy is better, you can consider again.... This opportunity does no cost you much. One day the exchange rate can be totally opposite.
Today's situation cannot last forever.
Attached is one of the feedbacks what I have got from one of my American customers.
Aihe: Vipukirves Christmas Present
Päiväys: 31.12.2008 14:17
Lähettäjä: Gary X [[email protected]]
Kopio: Gary X [[email protected]]
Dear Sir:
I saw videos showing your axe in operation on the Internet. I was so
impressed by the videos that I hinted to my family to get me one for
Christmas. My daughter, Kelly X, of St. Joseph, Illinois, USA,
did purchase the axe for me.
I was THRILLED to open the box on Christmas morning. The quality,
appearance, and construction of the tool was just what I had hoped it
would be. I was also impressed that my daughter would have gone to
the expense to have purchased the item and paid for the shipping to
get it here. Obviously, it is something of an extravagance, but I do
enjoy dealing with firewood. At my age (63) I guess the axe could be
thought of as an investment as a piece of "exercise equipment" as I do
think there is a health benefit from doing all the tasks related to
getting wood cut, moved, split, burned, and so on.
I was a little worried as to whether the axe would perform in a way
that would justify the cost. I had read a semi-scientific evaluation
of the axe at this internet location:
http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?t=46925&page=8
The article is not entirely favorable to the Vipukirves and says
that the axe would have problems with the hard varieties of wood we
have in this part of the world. I was particularly concerned as I
split a great deal of Red Oak. I read this article AFTER I had hinted
to my family that I would like this axe for a gift.
So, when I went out to split about 15 rounds of recently cut red oak,
averaging around 25 to 30 inches in diameter and about 16 inches in
length (basically trunk wood) I wondered how the axe would work. I
hoped that I would not have added an extremely expensive, but little
used tool to my garage.
The axe performed beyond my expectations!! I could not have been more
wrong in doubting whether this tool would work for me. With my family
watching through the dining room window, I blasted through a sizeable
stack of red oak in short order!! They were impressed with the amount
of power the old guy (me) could generate and were genuinely impressed
with the tangled knot wood i was splitting.
As I had watched a lot of video of the axe in action, I felt I knew a
little about the technique to be used. It did not take long for me to
feel as though I was using the axe in the intended manner. I produced
decent sized spits (for my woodstove) and did so very quickly. I used
a chopping block with a tire as you show in your videos. I would say
I can swing an axe with considerable force (I can hit a golf ball over
300 yards) so I may not be a typical user. However, I did split
through knots in the red oak. I was extremely impressed with the
amount of splitting force being brought to bear on the knots I was
going through. Again, I was quite impressed and produced much better
results than I thought I would get after having read the Arborsite
article.
As with any man powered device used in attacking a tough round of oak,
judgement must be used. There are techniques learned over the years
in splitting wood and those must be applied with the Vipukirves, too,
or you will waste a lot of energy. Techniques and knowledge of how
splitting wood works (at least with a non hydraulic man powered
device) are essential.
But, if you do know a thing or two about splitting wood, this
Vipukirves is a fabulous tool. No matter what the cost, if you like
making firewood, and you consider it a fun and challenging activity,
this is the best item you can buy.
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL PRODUCT AND I LOOK
FORWARD TO USING IT FOR YEARS TO COME.
Sincerely,
Gary X
(axe was purchased by my daughter, Kelly X)
Thank you for reading all this.
Best regards
Heikki, the inventor
http://www.vipukirves.fi
Finland
ArboristSite Member
Enough people ????
There are 307.573.942 people in United States at the moment. I do not agree with you that enough people have tested it. Is there any chance to get your evaluation about the Leveraxe based to your own experiment?
Check next link.
http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html
Best regards
Heikki
There are 307.573.942 people in United States at the moment. I do not agree with you that enough people have tested it. Is there any chance to get your evaluation about the Leveraxe based to your own experiment?
Check next link.
http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html
Best regards
Heikki
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Nonprophet
ArboristSite Operative
I think it's great that the owner/inventor had enough confidence in his product to ship it around to people to try it.
I'll echo what others have said--it's way overpriced.
No, I haven't tried it, and I'm not doubting that it's a fine tool--but it's still way overpriced.
Doesn't really matter what the exchange rate is, the bottom line is that my Fiskars Super splitting axe (with LIFETIME guarantee) cost me $45 US including shipping and it does a GREAT job on ALL types of wood!
There's also the Helko Vario (http://www.hartvilletool.com/product/11718) and the Gransfors Bruks (http://www.gransfors.us/axes.html) but even those fine, high-quality tools come in at under $100 ea., so it becomes EXTREMELY difficult to justify the Leveraxe that comes in 6 times the cost of my Fiskars and 4 times the cost of the Helko's and Gransfors.......
In short, if you're ever going to be more than a niche market, you need to seriously re-evaluate your pricing structure.
NP
I'll echo what others have said--it's way overpriced.
No, I haven't tried it, and I'm not doubting that it's a fine tool--but it's still way overpriced.
Doesn't really matter what the exchange rate is, the bottom line is that my Fiskars Super splitting axe (with LIFETIME guarantee) cost me $45 US including shipping and it does a GREAT job on ALL types of wood!
There's also the Helko Vario (http://www.hartvilletool.com/product/11718) and the Gransfors Bruks (http://www.gransfors.us/axes.html) but even those fine, high-quality tools come in at under $100 ea., so it becomes EXTREMELY difficult to justify the Leveraxe that comes in 6 times the cost of my Fiskars and 4 times the cost of the Helko's and Gransfors.......
In short, if you're ever going to be more than a niche market, you need to seriously re-evaluate your pricing structure.
NP
There are 307.573.942 people in United States at the moment. I do not agree with you that enough people have tested it. Is there any chance to get your evaluation about the Leveraxe based to your own experiment?
Check next link.
http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html
Best regards
Heikki
If Arboristsite is your outlet to 307 million American people, I think it's time you sponsored the site, and in a big way.
I am not interested in trying your axe. I have read enough of the testimonials of people here to know that it has difficulty with twisted American hardwoods. Besides, I have a home built hydraulic splitter.
Ian
Edit... on second thought, put me on the list. When I get it, I'll ship it back where it came from and be happy to pay the postage.
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Great post on this subject. the inventor needs to read all these post and re-evaluate his pricing. You may sell a few here and might even get rich off the few you sell. But ripping the people off for that amount of money for an axe is rediculous.
Finland
ArboristSite Member
Chance to the others
Thank you very much for your attitude towards the Leveraxe. You have all the right to have your opinion. Let us give a possibility to the others to make their own personal opinion, as well.
Important is that people get to know about this tool, even if they cannot afford to purchase it now. There will be life "tomorrow", too. Then the situation can be different and the price lower in your point of view.
Best regards
Heikki
http://www.vipukirves.fi
Thank you very much for your attitude towards the Leveraxe. You have all the right to have your opinion. Let us give a possibility to the others to make their own personal opinion, as well.
Important is that people get to know about this tool, even if they cannot afford to purchase it now. There will be life "tomorrow", too. Then the situation can be different and the price lower in your point of view.
Best regards
Heikki
http://www.vipukirves.fi
the economy is bad but even if it turns around, You're product is way overpriced. The other companies that sell fine axes and mauls are not price gouging the public. The economy has nothing to do with the price of you're axe.Thank you very much for your attitude towards the Leveraxe. You have all the right to have your opinion. Let us give a possibility to the others to make their own personal opinion, as well.
Important is that people get to know about this tool, even if they cannot afford to purchase it now. There will be life "tomorrow", too. Then the situation can be different and the price lower in your point of view.
Best regards
Heikki
http://www.vipukirves.fi
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Nonprophet
ArboristSite Operative
Thank you very much for your attitude towards the Leveraxe. You have all the right to have your opinion. Let us give a possibility to the others to make their own personal opinion, as well.
Important is that people get to know about this tool, even if they cannot afford to purchase it now. There will be life "tomorrow", too. Then the situation can be different and the price lower in your point of view.
Best regards
Heikki
http://www.vipukirves.fi
Let me just ask you straight up--what is your cost per unit for the Leveraxe?? Where are they manufactured?
NP
Austin1
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The high price is because it is made in Europe Not China, The Market is just so differnt there. A bottle of Coke cost's 3 Euros in the Frankfort air port. A bottle of JD costs 26.00 Euros 750ml or 26oz in Pairis and this is at the biggest Grocery store not a open all night liqurer store. Same goes for Moscow and St Pete a cup of Coffee will set you back $3.00 US or Canadian. I wondered in to a Stihl Shop in Cyprus on my Honeymoon and the Price of a 290 was the same as a 460 will go for here at home!Also less demand for the Product not that many Europeans need a Chainsaw. Kind of like where I live few people heat with wood so the Price of a cord of Pine is $500.00 or $480.00 US dollars.But a Fire wood permit cost's $5.00 for me. Also hunting licenses seem to have gone way up but you know how much it costs to hunt deer in Germany? Lets say my 32.00 dollar license seems cheap I remember when a duck license cost $2.50 and tags for big game were $10.00
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Austin1
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I would bet it cost's them at least $85.00 euro to make that Axe but I thought they still use the Kroner don't think I spelled that right lol. I still have a bunch of Swedish Krona's at home. Saving them to buy a Jred lol!!!
I will send a PM to the SAW Troll and see if he will post a response to the Scandinavian prices in the Firewood forum?
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SawTroll
Information Collector
Who has confiscated the LEVERAXE? I shipped two spare shafts ages ago. Check my new videos concerning ELM.
I do not consider it very difficult to split. Oak is also easy.
Best Regards
Heikki
http://www.vipukirves.fi
PS. You can check the prices in USD http://www.easyconverter.net
I notised that you cut the wood into really small pieces - does it work equally well for more "normal" splitting, starting with deviding the piece of wood in two about equally large pieces?
SawTroll
Information Collector
I am sure the price would be much lower if it was marketed in the US - most other stuff is!
Husky chainsaws cost 100%+ more here than in the US - Sweden is about the same, and I guess Finland is as well........
About he same goes for lots of other stuff as well.
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Finland
ArboristSite Member
Additional information
I fully understand your question and the reason why you asked that.
When splitting with the conventional axe (wedge) you must be very careful because there is a big chance that the axe blade will continue it's way through the block or slip out of it to your foot. That is why it is reasonable to hit into the middle of the block.
When using the Leveraxe you do not have to worry about the possible accident, because the axe blade will stop on the block or anyway slow down the speed so, that you can fully control it.
This gives you new way to split the wood. You can use the weak parts of the wood so that you can hit to a very side of the block. Of course the form of the split may look different but I doubt that the fireplace should complain about it.
During this four years existence of the Leveraxe there has happened NO ACCIDENT.
Attached are four links to my Finnish web sites. Here are some videos, which cannot be seen yet in the English pages.
I hope these to be satisfactory answer to your question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLs1YI68Z6k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkI0Shz9Hf0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XIZKNBnnNM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfWIjF8HXDE
Best regards
Heikki:computer:
I notised that you cut the wood into really small pieces - does it work equally well for more "normal" splitting, starting with deviding the piece of wood in two about equally large pieces?
I fully understand your question and the reason why you asked that.
When splitting with the conventional axe (wedge) you must be very careful because there is a big chance that the axe blade will continue it's way through the block or slip out of it to your foot. That is why it is reasonable to hit into the middle of the block.
When using the Leveraxe you do not have to worry about the possible accident, because the axe blade will stop on the block or anyway slow down the speed so, that you can fully control it.
This gives you new way to split the wood. You can use the weak parts of the wood so that you can hit to a very side of the block. Of course the form of the split may look different but I doubt that the fireplace should complain about it.
During this four years existence of the Leveraxe there has happened NO ACCIDENT.
Attached are four links to my Finnish web sites. Here are some videos, which cannot be seen yet in the English pages.
I hope these to be satisfactory answer to your question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLs1YI68Z6k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkI0Shz9Hf0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XIZKNBnnNM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfWIjF8HXDE
Best regards
Heikki:computer:
Austin1
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Yep everything is so expensive even compared to here and here things cost more than in the U.S.I am sure the price would be much lower if it was marketed in the US - most other stuff is!
Husky chainsaws cost 100%+ more here than in the US - Sweden is about the same, and I guess Finland is as well........
About he same goes for lots of other stuff as well.
blis
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I am sure the price would be much lower if it was marketed in the US - most other stuff is!
Husky chainsaws cost 100%+ more here than in the US - Sweden is about the same, and I guess Finland is as well........
About he same goes for lots of other stuff as well.
Last time i checked on the 346xp the price was around 800e (aka 1 170dollars or 1 250 canucks) and on your side of pond it costs like, 400?
SawyerSatan
ArboristSite Lurker
i like my leveraxe.
it works as advertised and makes splitting much easier
i think its worth the money
it works as advertised and makes splitting much easier
i think its worth the money
Iron Mike
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I'm glad you are happy with your purchase...but you have the worst user name on this site.
Nonprophet
ArboristSite Operative
If the Leveraxe was REASONABLY priced, say $80-$100 I'd think about it, but at $270 it's just totally unrealistic IMHO......
Maybe some day the owner will come to his senses and realize that making $50 on 100,000 axes is way better than making $200 on 5,000 axes.......
NP
Maybe some day the owner will come to his senses and realize that making $50 on 100,000 axes is way better than making $200 on 5,000 axes.......
NP
