Might as well have been a cliff

[PTS]

Why not skid it across / down the river with a snow mobile and or a quad?

My personnel manager and I discussed this very thing and decided that this is a good possibility too. The problem is mother nature. Is the ice going to freeze and hard enough to be on it. Last few winters around here have been very mild. The ice is no doubt the way to go if it freezes. But the question is what if it don't.

 

[PTS]

First things first. what is the client's goal? Is there a way to meet that goal without removing the tree? If it's viewshed, then window-pune, etc.

Tree is completely dead. They blamed it on the person who sprayed their hill side to keep the grass and weeds from growing. Did it three years ago and tree hasn't leafed sense.

 

[PTS]

get a helo or walk away.

The drop zone is fairly flat. It is almost like a landing on the bottom of the hill. The rocks are stable where they are but skidding something across them may cause them to loosen and roll.

I try to stay positive on here but insinuating that I would put myself or my guys lives in danger is outrageous! Its is a lot like being a cop.... The number one goal for the day is everyone going home safe.

 

[Gypo Logger]

You know, there was thread in the Chainsaw section about tractors in the woodlot, it was moved from commercial tree care to there although it has stuff all to do with chainsaws and should be in the equipment thread.
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Ekka, where are you getting your information from?
The thread was no more moved than flying to the moon and back.
It was put in the chainsaw forum because that's where everyone goes ,plus a chainsaw is required to cut wood in the forest as well.
Ekka, before everybody starts calling you Ekka the Pekka, I'm gonna give you some well meaning advice.
Why don't you start forming your own opinion about AS as opposed to that of AS rejects otherwise known as treehosers? It's the likes of you that come here to make trouble. plus you haven't been around long enough to know what's going on. So as you can see, you need schooling in more fields than one.
I mean if you were actually even funny once in a while or simply showed that you just might have a personality, things would be different.
Hahaha!

Oh, oh. Please disregard my above statements. I just realized I took the bait.. hook, line and sinker!
John

 

[Trinity Honoria]

The drop zone is fairly flat. It is almost like a landing on the bottom of the hill. The rocks are stable where they are but skidding something across them may cause them to loosen and roll.

#1. no one told me Hell's Kitchen was up and running again... i apologize to PTS, even tho it isn't my fault... i'm just embarrassed for the schlumps who turned this into a battle field...

#2. it seems to me, the simple home owner, that the only way you are going to get the solid advice from the experienced folks here is to get the pictures... i realize you said it was quite a distance, but you've said in the past your wife is a wonderful support! could she go & take the pictures??? there's so much knowledge among the people here (even the riff raff), they could have the very solution you need, but without pictures, estimates of distances, etc, they're shooting in the dark...

 

[alanarbor]

Helicopter seems like a good idea. Or can you get a crane with enough stick to reach?

Whatever you come up with make sure you've got enough money in the job. Be the expert that gets paid really, really well for highly technical dangerous work.

This is not the kind of job to pinch pennies on.

Photos will still really help everyone to help you.

 

[Stumper]

PTS, Helicopters, cranes and other pleasant possibilities aside---If the river doesn't freeze to run a quad on..... why not tow the stuff out on the river with a boat? We are talking about a tedious task and whatever route you go is going to be costly for both time and equipment. Figure it as best you can and double or triple the price. If you get it take your time and have fun with it.

 

[Ax-man]

Why does the tree have to be hauled off at all ?? Can't the tree be left on the hillside to control soil erosion. If the thing is dead it is going to fall on it's own anyway, just give Mother Nature a helping hand to make sure it doesn't hit the boat house and let Mother Nature take care of the disposal of it.

Larry

 

[Sizzle-Chest]

i dont think a helicopter is really an option. from what i know, they cannot maintain the kind of precise stability required to pull wood out like that. even a little bit of helicopter movement means a lot of movement on the bottom of the line.

 

[Gumneck]

Couldn't help but to put my worthless two cents in. Seems like the first step is to advise the owners to move the boat at whatever cost that may incur to them in an effort to minimize damage. Then maybe you could move enough large rocks out of a pathway for hauling up limbs/debris. Once cleared, make a surface with cheap crooked 2x4's and plywood that all this debris and logs could be skidded across.

 

[Sizzle-Chest]

Many, many outlaws have been cut! and the ones I know about were cut by timberfallers not arbos! You know sizzel chest, some people just won't make a pimple on a fallers a$$, so what's your experience? BTW sizzel, I've done quite a few residential tree jobs, jacked and pulled many big trees, work under the yarders and helicopters, and know a little about slingin rigging. I wonder, does living in Oregon make you an authority about anything? hahaha! Later

read your post again, you said that old time loggers could fall anything. am i wrong?

Tom, you act like a logger knows nothing about setting riggin. Think twice manual boy! The logger was slinging riggin way before the arbo industry was even in existence. The old loggers were like ants. They could move anything with some cable and a couble of blocks and didn't need a manual. If you want some real experience go work on a yarder setting, or a high lead show. I have, and learned the hard way, but at least I can say I've really done it! How about you big Mouth!

now, read my post again and see if i claimed to be an authority on logging. then check to see if i said that an aroborists falls timber.

actually, you are the one who sounds like you know nothing about setting rigging. those old loggers you speak of actually left the type of trees PTS is describing. outlaws/residuals were too difficult to take out either safely or successfully. And i'm unclear why you think that having worked in the bite makes you an authority on complicated tree removals in urban environments. Tom is making a very good point that the two jobs have very different applications. Obviously a logger would have less success removing that tree than an arborist or else home-owners would be calling timber fallers to remove trees.

quote this


"Man who go to bed with hard problem wake up with solution in hand."

 

[fmueller]

Say would that happen to be around Delhi? Why not pull chunks up the hill with a cone and a tractor? Doesn't look like we're gonna get much if any ice around here this winter and even if we did I would'nt put a chipper on it. Fish habitat was a good idea too.

 

[rbtree]

Ekka, Got any pics of your crew doing helo work or is this just hot air?

I've never seen a helo doing residential tree work. Does anybody have any pics of their crew doing residential tree work using a helo?

I have seen videos of logging companies using helos but never an arborist.

I know a guy who did some heli work in the Bay Area-residential neighborhood, back in the 80's.. The picks were done crane style with the tree standing!!! However, i'm told the FAA won't allow such activity these days.

About 12 years ago, at Seattle Golf Club, a bunch of trees were picked up after being felled and choppered to the landing...same as is done in the woods routinely.

If you can get a barge in, that would be the best solution, something we've done in Seattle's rich shoreline communities. You can load a container and chipper right on the barge if needed. With a dead tree, should be no need for a chipper.

 

[Thirdpete]

I think someone said it, but a strong anchor at the top of the hill and maybe a skid-steer to pull the debris up the hill. As far as logs go, 45 DBH may have to be chunked down in tiny pieces. I wouldn't want to risk a log rolling down into the boat/dock, but maybe cutting small wedges would help.

Sounds like a time-consuming and dangerous job. Good luck.

 

[Old Monkey]

I've never seen a helo doing residential tree work. Does anybody have any pics of their crew doing residential tree work using a helo?

Marin County Arborists and a few other companies in the SF Bay Area have used helicopters in their residential removals. I'll look for pictures. I think they used a Columbia Sky Crane. Its an expensive thing to do but it can be done.

PTS - How about building a plywood chute down the hill to keep rocks and debris from being loosened. I used a construction crews demo chute one time for a removal with a rig parked at the bottom. It still leaves you the problem of what to do with the material at the bottom. If it were me doing the job, I would try to build some sort of containment fence below the tree to keep falling debris from damaging things.

Dan - Why so bitter these days? No one can win in these e-squabbles, so why try.

 

[Thor's Hammer]

Ive used a helicopter for moving timber and trees. I wouldent have paid for it myself, But the forestry commision were quite happy too. Youd be surprised how delicate they can be when picking stuff up. we just choked the trees with a sling like a crane job, one quick cut at the base and off she went. Was a bellranger of some sort I think.
Round here the use 'copters a lot to haul gravel and stone up the sides of mountains for trail repairs, Its not as expensive as you think, consideing how much they will move.

 

[P_woozel]

Ekka, Got any pics of your crew doing helo work or is this just hot air?

I've never seen a helo doing residential tree work. Does anybody have any pics of their crew doing residential tree work using a helo?

I have seen videos of logging companies using helos but never an arborist.

Columbia helicopters has done lifts twice in the last 20 years in the Puget Sound area. Getting a qualified helo company isnt the problem, its getting a permit to do it. the thing about jobs like this is, often the customer isnt willing to fork over the cash to do it in aprudent manner, and the big hitch is there will always be some ******* who will savage the job out for .30 on the dollar. Walk away, even if youre starving you stand a chance of losing money.

 

[darkstar]

Hire extra muscle and man up that hill . We got to haul wood up cliffs/ embankments all the time just alot of grunt work .

 

[Ekka]

See, out of the woodwork jumps the same old with their worldly experience of what is possible and what is not along with their usual snide remarks. Did you all get bored with Tom?

Gypo, this is the first post of yours in that thread, stop making trouble. Why do you get in here and tell lies?

maybe I should have started this on the logging forum but it so much more quaint over here.
John

It was moved.

Secondly, what's this rubbish,

Ekka, before everybody starts calling you Ekka the Pekka, I'm gonna give you some well meaning advice.
Why don't you start forming your own opinion about AS as opposed to that of AS rejects otherwise known as treehosers? It's the likes of you that come here to make trouble. plus you haven't been around long enough to know what's going on. So as you can see, you need schooling in more fields than one.
I mean if you were actually even funny once in a while or simply showed that you just might have a personality, things would be different.

Trimmed, DDM, Begley, Darin this guys spamming this thread, baiting members and discriminating against a whole group of others and needs to be sent back to the chainsaw thread.

Not too long ago there were even pics in our Aborage of chopper removals.

If there is a flat spot on the side of that cliff it is a very good alternative. And so may be a crane full sticked just dragging it up but dislodging rocks etc may be likely.

The way you described the jobsite PTS was you had to lean over and grab the ground to get up the site.... I assumed that was all the way down to the water and the tree making it rather unforgivable terrain to work on. Now the tree is dead which raises the stakes even more.

Other options are a barge mounted crane etc.

 

[darkstar]

I disagree. He says there are stairs there . I say quarter the log and carry it, by hand up the "tiny steps" . Now if getting it down without damaing the boat house is a major problem thats different . A good climber should be able to handle that however .
Ill be interested to see what he does .