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Gypo Logger said:
Ekka's math on the weight of wood and # of blocks is interesting and I can actually contribute something in this regard and hope that the riff raff like Del Corbin and FMC don't one more time derail our thread. :blob2:
Anyway in just under 14 hrs. I blocked 1080 cubic ft. of Maple into 16" pieces, loaded it into a material bucket and dumped it into a forty yard bin.
Now, before everybody jumps up and says, "Woopty Doo", that translates to 6 full cords or 16 tons of wood.
Not bad for an old fart you was in intensive care just a year ago! :blob2:
It's the efficiency of the work, not the amount of work. Now I did pay for it a bit, and should have dragged it out over 3 five hr. days and not 2 seven hr. days.
Was a bit sore and slightly lack lustre the next day, but that's no biggy, because I'm going to do the same thing again.
So my point is, it's ok for you wood humpers to use me as an example.
You see, I really am a caring person.
John

John, a cord is only 80 cubic feet of solid wood.....or 128 split and stacked. And a cord of green madrona weighs abt 5200 lb, and 4300 lb dry, making it a wood that loses less weight than most any other as it dries...and heavier...so, your figures must be off somewhere.

Regardless, you are one hec k of a splittin' dervish!!! :blob2:
 
PTS - I think a combination of ideas expressed here could help you do the job. Any way you choose to do it you have to protect the dock and boat below with some sort of barrier though. You cant do a job where one loose rock kills any profit you've made.


Off the topic here:

John the stuff you do is cool and I enjoy your pictures. I am glad you are well enough to (do)so much work. However, every post you make is about you, not the question being asked.


edit: Dan's post below made realize the error of my ways. I added the missing verb "do" above. I really should proofread more.
 
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Sizzle-Chest said:
i dont think a helicopter is really an option. from what i know, they cannot maintain the kind of precise stability required to pull wood out like that. even a little bit of helicopter movement means a lot of movement on the bottom of the line.



Negatory, Sizzle. We use them in the telecom industry to do radio coverage tests in places or conditions where a crane can't be used. The transmitter goes in the choppper and the antenna is hung underneath. They have to stay in one spot for several HOURS while some poor soul drives around taking signal strength measurements.

It's not as stable as a crane, but it'll do.
 
I'm contiually suprised that Tom allows himself to be sucked in. Dan I don't know nearly as well but sometimes I need to sake my head.

There is a very good discussion hin here, if we could cut the BS out, but I've not the time to read and edit 72 posts right now.
 
Hey PTS,
Any chance for some pictures of the job?

I was on a terrible job once, where a dead 35" Elm came out of a STEEP backyard with only the help of a log dolly.

My boss... the weasel... says, "This is the way that the Egyptians did it."

To which my foreman replies, "Yep, and a whole bunch of slaves."
 
rbtree said:
John, a cord is only 80 cubic feet of solid wood.....or 128 split and stacked. And a cord of green madrona weighs abt 5200 lb, and 4300 lb dry, making it a wood that loses less weight than most any other as it dries...and heavier...so, your figures must be off somewhere.

Regardless, you are one hec k of a splittin' dervish!!! :blob2:
Hi Roger, when it comes to firewood I'm not usually wrong in my calculations and I will show you why with math. If I'm out in my calculations it's only marginaly and to the benifit of the customer.
First of all, nobody deliver a solid block of firewood that measures 80 cubic ft. with no airspace.
Granted, a stacked cord is 128 cubic feet, however I am throwing mine loose into a bin. This is known as a bin volume measurement.
16" wood that is cut and split and thrown loose into a bin occupies 180 cubic feet to make 128 cu.ft. of stacked wood +-5%.
12" wood occupies 160 cu.ft. +-5%.
Therefore, if the bin is 1080 cubic ft. and the wood is 16", I have exactly 6 full cords or 768 cu. ft. stacked +-5%.
Furthermore, the only variable here is that since I am filling the bin with 16" blocks, do I in fact have the same amount of wood as I would had it been split?
I say the answer is yes and possibly even more, since there will be an expansion effect once it is split, offsetting the fact that blocks don't fit as tightly together as split wood when it is thrown into a bin loose.
Now getting to the weight. I claimed the bin when full weighs 16 tons.
since a cord of Hard Maple weighs 5350# green, then 6 cords weighs 32100 lbs. or slightly over 16 tons, but because some was Cherry and Ash (10%) 15.8 tons would be closer.
So Roger, please tell me where I went wrong?
John
 
Old Monkey said:
Off the topic here:

John the stuff you do is cool and I enjoy your pictures. I am glad you are well enough to (do)so much work. However, every post you make is about you,

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Hello OM, I pondered your statement and give you credit for being correct .
Then I thought further as to wether I should try to change that or not and maybe I should, however, I wouldn't be me if I did. :)
Since life is evolutionary and not revolutionary, I'll try to mend my ways slowly.
Thanks for the constructive criticism though.
John
 
BlueRidgeMark said:
Negatory, Sizzle. We use them in the telecom industry to do radio coverage tests in places or conditions where a crane can't be used. The transmitter goes in the choppper and the antenna is hung underneath. They have to stay in one spot for several HOURS while some poor soul drives around taking signal strength measurements.

It's not as stable as a crane, but it'll do.



I invented the helicopter, i think i would know.
 
Helicopters removal sound like a great idea but on a 3 year dead elm I am picturing bark flying everywhere and limbs breaking off. If you can walk down the stairs to look at the tree then it can be carried up the stairs to the truck. It will not be any fun but it is possible. I did a whole bunch of removals years ago in brooklyn and manhatten NY that had to be pieced out and carried through the house or basement. Had one job that we used service elevators to get the debris out to street level. Lot of fun standing in an elevator with logs on your shoulders trying to push the door close button with your knee. Cranes and helicopters were not an option. Moving material by hand my be old fashioned but it still works, just build in the cost of enough day labor into your price and bid the job. Good luck.
 
TreeCo said:
Ekka, Got any pics of your crew doing helo work or is this just hot air?

I've never seen a helo doing residential tree work. Does anybody have any pics of their crew doing residential tree work using a helo?

I have seen videos of logging companies using helos but never an arborist.

A helicopter is a reasonable option and of coarse they are used in arboriculture. 6 Months ago i completed a specific cranes and helicopter course (aerial engineering).

If its the safest, most efficient and cost viable option then why not!
 
Heli lifts are smooth as, with a long enough strop there wont be any more wind from the helicopter than there wound be on any normal day.
 
Imagine trying to take down a tree thats been dead for three years, theres going to be a mess...

You would have to lower it all would you not? Is it even safe to climb?
 
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