and Gypo that cut was not fast enough that was forsure and if you cannot tell the wood we used at that show was the softest wood i have ever turned but i guess it was not that soft,Dion won the underhand , it was 12 inch round aspen and he thought he could cut it in his normal 6 hit front ,6 hit rear and be done in 12 to 13 seconds like he does most places well he had a 12 hit front and a 13 rear and was just over 20 seconds ,Dave Jewett was 2nd Donald Lambert was 3 rd, Gill Lane 4th, Brad Stevens 5th Cecil Star 6th