Moody

[Mastermind]

mastermind you know every time you post in this thread it goes to the top of the list for the world to see and adds another nail in the kids coffin. The Fed Ex frieght shares have doubled since your porting ventures started. Can't you find a bigger fish to fry and stop acting like Walmart. Theres enough to go around, he ain't exactly cuttin your lunch is he.....

I never really thought about it.......but let's kick this **** around. Your post sorta pisses me off.

Should this thread be deleted so that no one can see what Moody posted? After all, he was the one that started this thread.

Mods, do we need this?????? Should the members of this site not be allowed to see what Moody has to say on this subject?

Since you brought up this nail in the coffin ********, and seem to think I want to see Moody fail, let me share some things with your uninformed ass.

I was the one that encouraged Moody to become a site sponsor, I also did some machine work for Moody to help him get started. I've spent time on the phone, and in emails with him giving him tips on port work. I've even shared my port timing numbers on various engines with him.

Do I want to see him fail? No. He enjoys working on saws. Do I want to see him in over his head, hell no.

Right now I have about 25 saws waiting to be done. Do I need to try to put Moody out of the game? Hell no.

Do the members of this site need to be totally aware of the issues Moody has had in respect to returning saws? You tell me.

 

[The Ripper]

I never really thought about it.......but let's kick this **** around. Your post sorta pisses me off.

Should this thread be deleted so that no one can see what Moody posted? After all, he was the one that started this thread.

Mods, do we need this?????? Should the members of this site not be allowed to see what Moody has to say on this subject?

Since you brought up this nail in the coffin ********, and seem to think I want to see Moody fail, let me share some things with your uninformed ass.

I was the one that encouraged Moody to become a site sponsor, I also did some machine work for Moody to help him get started. I've spent time on the phone, and in emails with him giving him tips on port work. I've even shared my port timing numbers on various engines with him.

Do I want to see him fail? No. He enjoys working on saws. Do I want to see him in over his head, hell no.

Right now I have about 25 saws waiting to be done. Do I need to try to put Moody out of the game? Hell no.

Do the members of this site need to be totally aware of the issues Moody has had in respect to returning saws? You tell me.

 

[The Ripper]

The only apologies Moody owes is to his customers that he's rendered services for porting or whatever reasons and not to this forums members. For some ,we've been down that road of hardships and we sometimes make mistakes trying to overcome hardships not thinking clearing,so what good is it to bust a members or friends nuts in the process to re boost his morale.

What ever mistakes Moody has made,hopefully his customers will show a sign of compassion and forgiveness ,after all it takes a big man in coming forward and publicly admit his mistakes and I applaud him for it.

Mastermind,I didn't mean to quote you above,my bad.

 

[Gologit]

I never really thought about it.......but let's kick this **** around. Your post sorta pisses me off.

Should this thread be deleted so that no one can see what Moody posted? After all, he was the one that started this thread.

Mods, do we need this?????? Should the members of this site not be allowed to see what Moody has to say on this subject?

Since you brought up this nail in the coffin ********, and seem to think I want to see Moody fail, let me share some things with your uninformed ass.

I was the one that encouraged Moody to become a site sponsor, I also did some machine work for Moody to help him get started. I've spent time on the phone, and in emails with him giving him tips on port work. I've even shared my port timing numbers on various engines with him.

Do I want to see him fail? No. He enjoys working on saws. Do I want to see him in over his head, hell no.

Right now I have about 25 saws waiting to be done. Do I need to try to put Moody out of the game? Hell no.

Do the members of this site need to be totally aware of the issues Moody has had in respect to returning saws? You tell me.

Well said.

 

[Gologit]

mastermind you know every time you post in this thread it goes to the top of the list for the world to see and adds another nail in the kids coffin. The Fed Ex frieght shares have doubled since your porting ventures started. Can't you find a bigger fish to fry and stop acting like Walmart. Theres enough to go around, he ain't exactly cuttin your lunch is he.....

Good candidate for Dumbest Post of the Year.

CR888...for what it's worth Mastermind has gone out of his way to help anybody here who needs it. That includes Moody and Moody will probably be the first to agree.

You need to take a better look at what's really going on here and gauge your reply accordingly. Or, failing that, just S T F U.

 

[Yukon Stihl]

mastermind you know every time you post in this thread it goes to the top of the list for the world to see and adds another nail in the kids coffin. The Fed Ex frieght shares have doubled since your porting ventures started. Can't you find a bigger fish to fry and stop acting like Walmart. Theres enough to go around, he ain't exactly cuttin your lunch is he.....

 

[Guido Salvage]

mastermind you know every time you post in this thread it goes to the top of the list for the world to see and adds another nail in the kids coffin. The Fed Ex frieght shares have doubled since your porting ventures started. Can't you find a bigger fish to fry and stop acting like Walmart. Theres enough to go around, he ain't exactly cuttin your lunch is he.....

Randy strikes me as more of a K-Mart type guy...

 

[CR888]

Mastermind no need to run to the mods. I know you do alot of good around here, EVERYONE knows that. I just did'nt like the big builders exposing the little guy who is obviously going through a rough time. If you read the thread its not exactly the most 'positive' advertisment for him. My intent was not to upset anyone and realise he has'nt done himself any favours being so honest. Its hardly a bad trait and I respect his courage. I also admire the charity you contribute to those in need, l really do. I'm sorry if I offened your integrity, you don't deserve that.

 

[Mastermind]

I never "run to the mods", ever.

I can take care of myself just fine.

Again, you don't know the whole story here, or how long any of this has been going on, or how many emails I have gotten from guys that were trying to make contact with Moody. Maybe some of those guys need to step up here and post their side of this?

You want to pitch me under the bus? I'm a guy that will pitch back.

You were so worried about the exposure that this thread is getting.....believe me when I tell you that your replies here have really not helped it to just go away.

 

[sachsmo]

Hmmm,

must be the nikasil dust.

 

[jayhawkinmi]

Randy should not be called out for posting in this thread. As noted above he has been more than gracious with many members and builders. My side of this issue was posted in the "Stumpy 3120" thread.

When I had a positive experience with Moody I posted it (see the 5100 thread I started). When I had issues with Moody I posted them as noted above. If one offers to perform a service as a professional in a public forum they must be prepared to accept the good posts with the not so good. In fact, I think we as members should post that information for the good of the community. Am I judging Moody as a person? No--I feel for the guy and wish him well. Am I judging him as a professional? Yes--my position is that I have a license to do that after paying said individual for services rendered.

I posted in AS after trying to reach Moody via e-mail and even reaching out to some members via PMs to see if they heard from him; nobody had.

As an update I did receive a tracking number from Moody, and my saw should be here on Monday.

 

[sunfish]

I think the 'too much personal info' has hurt more than one builder here...

Best to stick with saws and participate as much as possible here for best results.

And don't disappear for any length of time, as people who have sent saws, money, etc. start to worry...

 

[Steve NW WI]

I'm a mod, and probably as responsible as Randy is, since I answered some of his site questions here, instead of sending him a message.

I see your point, but I don't think it's valid here. The search on the new software works much better than the old one did, and this thread comes up #1 anytime someone (say a potential customer) types in "Moody", because it's the title of the thread. This thread is less about trying to down Moody than a "Where the heck is _____" thead would do. I think you're overreacting.

I've met Moody in person, and talked to him privately a few times. In my eyes, he's a decent guy. He's having some troubles right now, heck we all have them. How he deals with them is more important to anything than what the problems were to begin with.

I also think some of the advice MM, TLandrum, and a couple of others have given is some of the best here. Being able to build a fast saw requires skill and knowledge. Moody may not know every trick some of the veterans do, but he's putting a lot of effort into learning. However, like any other job or skill, there's a big difference between doing a job well, and running a business doing that job. It's an area Moody needs to work on, a problem other guys that have come and gone have learned as well. I hope he's learned from this and wish him all the success in the world.

So, no, I'm not locking or deleting this thread. IF Moody thinks it should be, he can send me a message and I'll consider it, but as of now, I see no reason to.

 

[sachsmo]

OK Guys,

"run it's the cops"

 

[bryanr2]

mastermind you know every time you post in this thread it goes to the top of the list for the world to see and adds another nail in the kids coffin. The Fed Ex frieght shares have doubled since your porting ventures started. Can't you find a bigger fish to fry and stop acting like Walmart. Theres enough to go around, he ain't exactly cuttin your lunch is he.....

There's more to this story than just the confession at the start of this thread. What I read was a bunch of excuses- not reasons. I read Randy's and Terry's response and didnt see them faulting him or exposing him. He exposed himself with what he has said starting the thread and what "he did or didn't do". If anything, "His" actions or lack there of put the "nails in his coffin" (i don't think it is to that point though). Randy and TL brought up some very valid points for the discerning individual/ customer to consider. Your comments were unfounded and really "below the belt" as they say. I don't think Randy has anything to worry about with a "new kid" on the block. He brings his skill to the table for all to see and copy. If he was really concerned about just the money, he wouldn't create these build threads for everyone to learn from and for those that dare- to copy his work. I followed Randy's threads for over a year before I contacted him (or made my first post) on AS. His build threads and the way he treats others is what got him my business- 16 saws in 2 years. The lack of build threads by other builders cost them my business initially. Having been a friend of Randy's now for 2 years- I can tell you that friendship is more important to him than money. I have seen it and experienced it firsthand in dealing with him. Anyone else that has dealt with him knows what Im talking about. At this point, I can say that I have picked my builder, just like everyone else does, and it doesn't matter what any other builder does or doesn't do- my moneys going to Cuddle Ln, Jamestown TN.

By the way, Randy..... I've got something in the works.

 

[moody]

I appreciate all the help I've received from tthose who've lent me a hand. I'm not the best business person out here I'll admit tthis. But what I'd like to clear up is I've not had horrible experiences with a large portion of my customers. This has been a nuisance for the couple of guys. This hurts me more than anyone else on this forum. Whether we argue whose saws are faster or has bbetter sideways balance this situation will aalways be a rock in my boot. If it's not in the public forum it'll be word of mouth. I appreciate those of you for the advice and for the few who felt I was getting the run down there's no reason to. I started this thread after i made a comment saying that all i aSK is the right to defend myself. I'm not looking for a fight and nobody else nneeds to either. I'd like to keep on good terms with everyone and work past this whole deal. I don't need hand outs so please don't take this thread as cry for help financially. I am just asking for everyone to understand that I've made mistakes and I'm working thing's out.

 

[bryanr2]

Also, I think that overall the feedback and responses Moody has gotten in this thread have been either postive or supportive.

 

[shootingarts]

Just a matter of priorities, very few that are really skilled or talented at anything are good business people. Extreme examples, Michelangelo and Leonardo were both poor business people that got themselves in deep doo-doo over business dealings. A very few are good business people and have talent and skills. Another group is fortunate enough to have a business or life partner that keeps their business straight for them. The rest of us generally have to put some mileage in and make some mistakes before getting our ducks in a row.

I grew up working with my dad or partnered with him and he was a good businessman. Rare that I didn't know the right business move. Sometimes a youth's or young man's pride and anger kept me from making what was the right business move anyway. When I was right taking a loss and moving on wasn't an option. Still comes mighty hard but sometimes the smart thing to do is cut your losses and move on even when you shouldn't have had any losses at all!

I don't know Moody's history, sounds like the usual I have seen dozens of times before though from many people starting a business. Difficulty getting the work out in a timely manner, then things start weighing on the person's head and they stop communicating as often as they should. Tough to keep on telling people something you don't want to say and they don't want to hear. The business person starts ducking people or making promises they can't deliver on then stops talking.

When communication goes to crap is when things shift into overdrive though. I have seen both young businesses and old established ones go on the rocks from a loss of communication. A man had a long established custom business, rock solid for over a decade. He had a major heart attack, anyone could understand that. He was forced to spend money on medical bills and to live while recovering that was supposed to be spent on materials, supplies, and living while turning out work. The money was gone, many people were out deposits or didn't have high dollar items that had been sent to him to be worked on and he went the all too common path, he made some people promises he couldn't keep and then quit communicating with pretty much everyone. A good old fashioned internet lynch mob was assembled and the man's reputation and business were destroyed. No question that he had made some grave errors as a businessman in the last six months or so, still seemed like a high price to pay for a man who had ran his business honorably for all those years and turned out work renowned nationwide. Customers can be a tough crowd, us not so innocent bystanders far tougher sometimes!

Hu

 

[sachsmo]

Hit the nail on the head,

 

[Steve NW WI]

This has been a nuisance for the couple of guys.

Just keep in mind, that although probably a small minority on here, there are guys on this site that depend on their saws for a living, and might not have 20 backup saws like a lot of us hobbyists do. They might have 2 saws, maybe a wore out POS for a emergency backup. These are the guys that a saw that doesn't come home for a month or more is more than a nuisance to.

If I was a porter, and I never will be, I'd be scheduling saws so I didn't have 20 sitting around waiting to be worked on. Tell the customer when to send it, and get the work done and the saw back ASAP. That would solve 75% of the issues I've seen with porters on this site. Also, as we've all learned the hard way the last couple of months, if you're doing business with anyone on this site or any other, be sure to have multiple means of communication, backed up on paper. This works both ways, both the person doing the work and the customer.