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Hey spoonman you have obviously never done a 441.
No doubt. Rebuilding a 290, 310, or 390 is a piece of cake compared to a 441. To rebuild a 441c-m, you have to first be a glutton for punishment. The 261c-m is in that same camp. BTDT. I've even had dealer mechanics tell me they hate going near either one.
 
I rebuilt my 441 before I sold it and that requires you to have octopus arms and attend a 12 step program afterward for PTSD. Never mind that cutting with that saw was like cutting with a watermelon in your hands. Working on the 1127 saws are indeed cake in comparison. The 1123 saws are more involved than those (and cheaped out) as well. I do not buy or work on them any more. The 1127s I will buy and work on (except the 029... they are just too crappy).

As for easy saws to work on and port, that ended with the 260, 361, 440, 460 and 660. The 270 and 280 were iffy. Hybrid pro saws. All the new line with autotune Mtronic, as well as the newer strato air system that is a PITA to deal with.
 
I rebuilt my 441 before I sold it and that requires you to have octopus arms and attend a 12 step program afterward for PTSD. Never mind that cutting with that saw was like cutting with a watermelon in your hands. Working on the 1127 saws are indeed cake in comparison. The 1123 saws are more involved than those (and cheaped out) as well. I do not buy or work on them any more. The 1127s I will buy and work on (except the 029... they are just too crappy).

As for easy saws to work on and port, that ended with the 260, 361, 440, 460 and 660. The 270 and 280 were iffy. Hybrid pro saws. All the new line with autotune Mtronic, as well as the newer strato air system that is a PITA to deal with.
You have to wonder if Stihl did this on purpose so that when their saws burn out, they are then toast. If nobody wants to (or can) rebuild them, then a new saw has to be bought to replace them. Likely, that's a new Stihl saw because very few tree service companies or loggers want to get involved with another brand. It's an interesting marketing strategy. But, it also shortens product longevity.
 
You have to wonder if Stihl did this on purpose so that when their saws burn out, they are then toast. If nobody wants to (or can) rebuild them, then a new saw has to be bought to replace them. Likely, that's a new Stihl saw because very few tree service companies or loggers want to get involved with another brand. It's an interesting marketing strategy. But, it also shortens product longevity.
Well, the sad truth is that John Deere had the most to do with this. JD has a 2-stroke smog engine that they thought they could corner the market on. So they lobbied for tougher smog laws in the US. Then the economy tanked and JD was in a financial bind, so they sold off all their small engine stuff and carry Honda (and Stihl or Husky, depending) now. But not before the EPA toughened up the laws and made all the requirements that made for changing to small 2-stroke engine designs that are far more complicated.

The buying new saws instead of fixing them has been around for a long time now. I bought a half dozen 180c saws for dirt from a contractor that just buys them and runs them until they stop. Then he just buys a new one. Half of them just needing cleaning. 2 needed new carbs. One ran fine. They were also marked as low compression, but someone used an auto compression tester on them. The lowest one was 145 PSI. I cleaned them all up and put B&C on them and flipped them all but one.

Stihl still makes the older saws. They moved the 361 production line to Brazil and Russia, where they are still being made. They also still make and sell the 260, 382 and 460 in Brazil. They still sell the 260, 361, 382 and even the old 720 in South Africa.
 
I've converted a 310 to a 390. For what it was worth it was a reliable saw with half decent power, what you would expect from a consumer saw in that size.
As far as working on them, they were like a larger version of the MS 250 except a lot less cramped. A few quirks in reassembly, but nothing too outrageous. A couple of design flaws were the very small recoil pulley that made it hard to pull over, and a very strange muffler mounting design that made it difficult to do a good muffler mod on it.
It was sold off pretty quick, it couldn't keep up to my Pioneer p40.
 
I have owned a lot of these 1127 series Stihl saws. You need to add the 029 and 039 to this list to make it complete though. The 029 was a complete DOG. Nothing I did could get that one running well. Underpowered boat anchor no matter what. The 290 was way better, but needs the original more open muffler to make it run right. It is still somewhat anemic though. And vibe prone. The 290 and 039/390 had high vibration. The 310 was the sweet spot of this line. Lowest vibration of the lot and they ran well. I had maybe a half dozen of them and over a dozen of the 1127 line of saws in all. But even with all the tweeks that I know to mod these guys, I could never get a 310 to run as strong as a stock 361. All timed cuts run and tested with the same B&C in the same wood. So I moved on to the pro line of saws. The 026, the 360 and 361, the 044 and 440, 066 and 660. If I run across cheaper 1127 saws I will buy them. The last 310 I bought was $125 at a pawn shop. That was a steal. But for the most part here they are way overpriced on the used market. I can typically get a good 026/260 for less than the price of a 290. Most listings for 290s here on CL are $300.

Two things you should do on any 1127 saw. One is open up the muffler to the original stock size. Then re-tune your carb to fatten up the mixture. You will get a noticeable power improvement with that and restore the saw to its stock design w/o over-stressing anything. The other is to replace the spur drive/clutch drum with a stock 036 rim drive and drum. Not the beefier 360 drum, the early model smaller needle bearing one. That fits the 1127 saws perfectly and makes them more like a pro saw. You can then swap rims and your chains will run and wear a lot better.
Sorry this is two years later Lol, will this work on the 310 as well? Is this the correct part number for that?
 

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I know the small needle bearing 1125 version fits and works, im not sure about the big needle bearing version you posted
Hard to decipher which one online if anyone has that Stihl part number would be greatly appreciated.
 
029 can be made to run really good. Timing is all over the map on these saws in port numbers and ignition lead.

The 029 and 029S have the best timing numbers to modify the 46mm jug. All the mufflers need work and 310 was probably the smoothest runner. 039/390 vibrates if you don't lighten the pistons. The cranks are relatively all about the same. The part you need is a better airfilter with more volume. No amount of mods will fix that issue 😒 Porting them is easy when you have a whole pile of cylinders to go through. The transfer ports need more work then the saw has value in reality. Having a drop in jig with a stop mounted on the mill could make these very easy to port. Might try that that this winter and see how much time we waste there.

The biggest second problem I found with these is the chassis gets soft on the third tank bucking in the summer heat. Oil feed fixes most of that problem but something has to cool off the bar tail better. Plastic clutch covers acually make the pto side run hotter. No side cover cooled it considerably. Slipping the clutch in these is the big no no. It does and will melt a bunch of stuff.

Picked up a flippy cap bone stock 290 recently this past summer still running as a base line. That will stay as is for comparison. Not really interested in cut time just endurance. Should be 6-7 1127 saws here and extra cylinders. Most are 46mm, one 47, one 039 and 390. One of those has a decomp button. Switching to a 460 carb is worth it when modified imo. These will be for fun.
 
@windthrown @cookies finally got the 310 converted over to the 036 drum and sprocket! Stihl yellow chain was giving me a hard time installed my new es light bar as well. Chain kept hanging up on sprocket, I knew I was doing everything right. Long story short found a bad spot in chain. New chain runs smooth as silk! Thank you guys for the info!
 
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