I think somebodies are trying to flog the old 400's before the new ones show up.Maybe?
Well maybe. But, I have cut wood for over 50 years. And, the bottleneck is never how fast the saw will cut.
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Well maybe. But, I have cut wood for over 50 years. And, the bottleneck is never how fast the saw will cut.
Ditto, I have had four of the 362s mtronic and regular manufactured over many years with several different minor design changes and I then decided to get a new ms 400 before they might become unavailable with 400.1, wow to feel the difference side by side make it worth the price difference, hands down imo.
The 361 with a simple muffler mod smokes the 362. The Husky 562 smokes the 362 as well.
You are the literally the only guy who likes the performance of the 362.
Mtronic does not produce less torque either..
Both Jackpine and Aspen are butter soft. And I have cut old growth jack pine while lived in far north Canada. Maybe your perspective on the 362 would change if you cut more substantial wood?My old 362 pulls its 18 buried in anything I have around here. It's all dead and dry. Some of the beetle/drought killed jackpine is very hard. And so is some of the drought-killed aspen. It was growing slowly in sand for 30 years or more. The old mtronic 362's were torque-less because they were simply too lean. Always. Everywhere. Mine isn't because I can tune it, I guess.
The 400 should pull a 24. It's basically a 70cc saw. Weight isn't everything. Balance is, imo.
I don't know what happened to the 362. The originals without moronic are torquey.
timberslayer
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362 was always weak for what is was IMO. My $400 Echo 590 stayed right with it, my 620 was a good bit stronger. Neither of the Echos are exactly powerhouses in the 60cc class FWIW
here we go again with what smokes what...wheres the pee'ing contest imoji?
It is a little funny. I know guys back in the day that would make more with an XL12 than this bunch. LOL.
If you're buying a new saw who doesn't want one that performs the best?
Those same guys would kill to have the saws we have now instead of that old junk.
This is not old growth pine. It's jackpine that is 50-60 years old (idk, but maybe that is old growth) and about 10-12" diameter.. It is not butter soft. The aspen is like drift wood and rings like bowling pins. This wood has seen ever-declining moisture for over 30 years. You can hardly see the last 35 years of growth rings. Did I mention that it is dead and bone dry? It reminds me of the black spruce in the western arctic. But of course you know everything so I guess you are right.
And you are right about what makes a 60cc saw and that the 2011 ms362 is a turd. You are also correct that moronics of that day were not running lean.
No argument here.
I am speaking of the species Jack Pine and by old growth I am talking several hundred years old.
Neither it, nor aspen no matter how dry is very hard at all.
It's not about the dryness, it's about how slow it grew. Most of it is not very hard. Some of it is.
Perhaps when you grow up you will realize that local knowledge means something. It took me a while...
Perhaps when you grow up you will realize that local knowledge means something. It took me a while...
Well, my 362 smokes my 590. It's like it has another gear on top.
You guys comparing the power of a 67cc saw to a 59cc saw as if they were on equal ground is ridiculous.
Is the 362 a good saw? It was the first saw I bought. I've now got 14 saws from 30cc to 92cc so the 362 is right in the middle. I find it underpowered for its weight. I run a 20 inch bar on it as with full comp chain, anything bigger feels underpowered. Even with the 20 inch I generally reach for my 044 in preference. As said above my ported 361 is a far better saw and my ported 261(running 3/8p) is far lighter and more agile. So if I had my time again, I wouldn't have bought the 362 and really I guess I ought to sell it.
Except I lived in your country for 6 years. I know exactly what your talking about.
No kidding. The 590 isn't a modern saw.
And your the only one who thinks a 400c isn't a 60cc class saw.
No I'm not.
I'd say the class system works like this:
Overall dimensions, weight, handling, general power and delivery of that power, common chain and bar size, etc taken into consideration.
25-35cc
35-45cc
45-55cc
55-65cc
65-75cc
And so on, more or less.
And I'm not alone.
I'd say the class system works like this:
Overall dimensions, weight, handling, general power and delivery of that power, common chain and bar size, etc taken into consideration.
25-35cc
35-45cc
45-55cc
55-65cc
65-75cc
And so on, more or less.
And I'm not alone.
You are obsessing over 2cc when the saw fits all your other parameters? OK!
Just face it, the 362 is a turd in most peoples opinion and the 400c isnt.
And FWIW that $300 dollar price differance you are worried about is about the cost of a tank of diesel fuel for a pickup truck in Canuckistan.
timberslayer
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IMO it’s the same as why the 460 and 461 at 77cc were lumped into the 70cc class, they don’t feel too different weight wise from a “true” 70cc like a 044/440
Or why the 357xp and 359 are considered 50cc saws. Wait! What?
Anyway, who cares. Just trying to get a rise out of walker.
Anyway, who cares. Just trying to get a rise out of walker.
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