I sopke too soon Fish I have not been back to the thread till now.I will look at it Thanks for all the help
My cousins Stihl 029 Question
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I sopke too soon Fish I have not been back to the thread till now.I will look at it Thanks for all the help
God no !!! not even close yet we are waiting for the piston and seals to come in. He found the impluse lin still attached to the cylinder that he took with him to to order the piston.
Fish,
Got ya yea thats the plan I guess I was not clear.
To remove the clutch I need it back together first.I intend to use the old piston to hold the engine so I can remove the clutch. Then back apart to install the new piston and rings seals and sealant I will be using 1194/ three bond for the base and crank pan's? is that ok?
Then try the dreded re-assembly she will get new gas line as I discoverd his had a crack in it .I am thinking that is the reason his piston went to he77 in the first place
Got ya yea thats the plan I guess I was not clear.
To remove the clutch I need it back together first.I intend to use the old piston to hold the engine so I can remove the clutch. Then back apart to install the new piston and rings seals and sealant I will be using 1194/ three bond for the base and crank pan's? is that ok?
Then try the dreded re-assembly she will get new gas line as I discoverd his had a crack in it .I am thinking that is the reason his piston went to he77 in the first place
Naked Arborist
Hack from way back.
Foamy fuel will waste a 2smoke pretty fast. I've been seeing fuel line made of rubber that looks like swiss cheesiness. E-10 not good. E-15 = yikes...
Update, I had cous come up this afternoon and put the cyl back on so we could take off the clutch.
I said lets try to put the piston back into the cylinder so we can take the clutch off but made a discovery. I had zero luck getting the piston started back into the cyl. The cyl does'nt start for about 1 inch up inside the jug and no way could we keep the rings colasped/ compressed long enough to get it started into the cyl.
So I got out my e-bay red plastic half circle type ring compression tool and still no luck. So I took the rings off the piston and installed it into the cyl that way. Then we took the clutch,oil pump assembly apart so I could get the crank out. We did that then I said ok put the rings back on and we will try again while we have it outside the saw and upside down. I tried the red tool again ,no luck then I cut up a beer can and tried to wrap the rings in tight and slip them into place using it, no luck.Then I took a wide wire tie and compressed the rings that way, no luck. So unless the new rings are in the ring groove much tighter that the old ( almost flush ) I can see no freeking way to get em started into the cylinder.The problem is that the cylinder does not really begin untill about an inch plus up inside the jug. I know it is easy as pie but not for me today anyway. My next suggestion was, when your piston comes in take the crank and cyl with you and see if the stihl shop can get them started for us?
I said lets try to put the piston back into the cylinder so we can take the clutch off but made a discovery. I had zero luck getting the piston started back into the cyl. The cyl does'nt start for about 1 inch up inside the jug and no way could we keep the rings colasped/ compressed long enough to get it started into the cyl.
So I got out my e-bay red plastic half circle type ring compression tool and still no luck. So I took the rings off the piston and installed it into the cyl that way. Then we took the clutch,oil pump assembly apart so I could get the crank out. We did that then I said ok put the rings back on and we will try again while we have it outside the saw and upside down. I tried the red tool again ,no luck then I cut up a beer can and tried to wrap the rings in tight and slip them into place using it, no luck.Then I took a wide wire tie and compressed the rings that way, no luck. So unless the new rings are in the ring groove much tighter that the old ( almost flush ) I can see no freeking way to get em started into the cylinder.The problem is that the cylinder does not really begin untill about an inch plus up inside the jug. I know it is easy as pie but not for me today anyway. My next suggestion was, when your piston comes in take the crank and cyl with you and see if the stihl shop can get them started for us?
I assume you have the rings aligned with the ring pins in the piston, right? Can you slip the rings into the cylinder and check the ring end gap? Push them in a bit with the cylinder so they're parallel with the base. A little mix oil helps, of course.
Oh yea the end gas are at the pins and yes I could put the rings in but that wont tell you anything the only ones I have right now are the ones that were in the saw to beging with, They are the right rings.
Fish
Tree Freak
Yeah, to update. Jeff kept sending me a lot of P.M.s and his problem yesterday was that he had the cyl. off, flywheel off, but clutch was still on.
He wanted to know his next move. I instructed him to remove the rings and put the cylinder back on, so he could remove the clutch.
Also suggested he come back to the main forum for all of us to chime in.
He wanted to know his next move. I instructed him to remove the rings and put the cylinder back on, so he could remove the clutch.
Also suggested he come back to the main forum for all of us to chime in.
Oh, I see. Then they gotta fit in. But you're right, rings can be a PITA to slip into a cylinder. It's why they invented cussing.
Fish you freek help!!! no really I am very stumped on how to keep the rings compressed up inside the casting an inch untill they get to the cylinder? Also the borrom of that cyl where it bolts to the crank base,... it is the worst looking thing I ever saw wicked rough with casting flash dont know how it ever made a seal? I wont but i am tempted to take a flat file to that surface I tell ya I could make a better mateing surface with a barn shovel ! Mahle cyl too.
Fish
Tree Freak
As I said, it isn't easy. I just ease the piston up into the cylinder slowly, there is a slight chamfer/bevel that will hold the rings in as you work the piston up while depressing the ring with the flat of a small screwdriver...
Not easy to do by a young sport, let alone a 50 year old alcoholic!!! But I can still cut the mustard!!!! Which is why I don't make the big bucks!!!!
Well young fella I too am 50 as of last Sunday the 17th maybe I need to drink more all I have for a big vice I guess is the Red Man I chew.
Yea I see the chamfer but I dont know maybe with new rings it will work eaiser.Its like you can see the top of the piston for a moment then the walls close in and lights go down and soft music....... no wait thats a diffrent sort of fitment issue.
Fish
Tree Freak
It is real hard to describe. I get a chuckle with some guys here, they may have done an 026 or 2, but the 029 series is a different animal.
And telling you is hard to do. If I had a camera crew, maybe. But the site won't even give me a damn hat!!!
And telling you is hard to do. If I had a camera crew, maybe. But the site won't even give me a damn hat!!!
Believe me I know what you mean there is a neighbor that has worked on saws a while. When he and cous talk he tells him hua?? no problem I do it all the time its easy .My cous says he has a 026 and a 44 or somthing. I have to believe they are a diffrent anmial than the 029. I tell ya I can do a lot of things and have, but this piston install may be above me some. But ya know what ? he will have over $100 in parts so I am pretty sure we will find a way to put her together. Have a good nite Fish,.. I will be back when we have more to work with.Jeff
Fish
Tree Freak
well send me the saw and a few lobsters.....................
cutforfun
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like fish said use a small screw driver and lots of lube, just work your way around the piston pushing the ring into the gap and it will fall into place.
Stihlofadeal64
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There is an idea. Fix the dudes saw and have some surf and turf maybe! FISH you are a genius, no wonder you are a MVP! :msp_tongue:
You cant eat those things,... nasty bugs. Bty there called,..lao-buster ya gotta say it like a downeaster !
Fish is steering you right. To install the ringed slug put the jug upside down in a vice, start the ringed piston then work the rings inside the beveled edges of the cylinder with a small flat screwdriver. It will work if you are careful and patient.
Yea I want to give it a try with the new rings when we get them.I am in hopes that the new rings will be tighter to the piston than the old orig we were practicing with. They stuck out somthing terrible like a good 1/8 all the way around it required a lot of pressure to keep them in to the ring groove.
