Nik's Poulan Thread

[fossil]

Thanks Tim, I guess that why they have a point on the end of those screws to help locate the socket. Piston looks good but my comp tester won't hold the measurement? May be some gunk in the intake valve which appears to be a normal tire valve.

What bar do they take as mine looks pretty bad and it's a banana to boot. Chain is OK though.

Off for a couple of weeks to the UK to catch up with folks including my son and new granddaughter.

Hope all is well with you.

Regards,

Lee

I think they are just a standard Schrader valve in the compression testers. You could likely just clean the seat up on it unless it's damaged.

Have a good trip!

 

[RedneckChainsawRepair]

Normal valves wont work in your compression tester. So dont replace with one unless you want wrong low readings.

Buy the ones for compression testers. Couple of bucks. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/sear...nsfr=true&search_type=Part&store=snapon-store

 

[dboyd351]

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That's pretty slick Stephen. I like it!

 

[OhioGregg]

Was out putt-zing around in the shop today, Geezers do that a lot. :confused2: Several weeks ago I saw a seller on ebay selling an S-clip, for the Poulan/Windsor type bars. Seems he was wanting $7 something for one. :msp_scared: I about pooped myself.

Someone on here sometime back suggested trying to make one out of old wiper blade parts. Well, I put new wipers on my truck couple weeks ago, and had an old pair to play with. One of those metal strips on both sides of the rubber, is exactly the same size as the original S-Clip.

I fiddled an came up with one. Decided to try again, the second one was better looking, more original. But both will work!!! I tried all kinds of pliers, hammering around a 5/16" bolt, not easy, but can be done. Once ya get a loop made, I just slipped it on one of the bar studs and bent it around the other stud to get the right size. Then finished it by hand.

I suppose someone smarter than me could come up with a easy way to do it, and crank these things out by the handfuls. I seemed to have gained a number of the older Windsor bars over the years, usually on an old saw, with no S-Clip. The one on the far left, is an original, the next one was my first attempt, the one on the right was second attempt and came out better. Tried both, and they work!!

Gregg,

 

[OhioGregg]

I try to hide my lack of any real mechanical skills with imagination....not only that but I am old and fumble things onto the floor a lot,
the pick up thingy is one of my most frequently use tools. I must have reverse magnetic polarity in my fingers, it seems small objects
seem to just jump away when I get near them, they often pass thru a portal into another dimension never to be seen again.

You got that right!!! I could never figure why in a carb rebuild kit, it comes with everything BUT the metering lever spring! Those are about the most wild and elusive creatures known to man.
You let one of those take a leap on ya, your in for a long hunt. They are small, light and don't make a sound when they land...LOL


Gregg,

 

[fossil]

Was out putt-zing around in the shop today, Geezers do that a lot. :confused2: Several weeks ago I saw a seller on ebay selling an S-clip, for the Poulan/Windsor type bars. Seems he was wanting $7 something for one. :msp_scared: I about pooped myself.

Someone on here sometime back suggested trying to make one out of old wiper blade parts. Well, I put new wipers on my truck couple weeks ago, and had an old pair to play with. One of those metal strips on both sides of the rubber, is exactly the same size as the original S-Clip.

I fiddled an came up with one. Decided to try again, the second one was better looking, more original. But both will work!!! I tried all kinds of pliers, hammering around a 5/16" bolt, not easy, but can be done. Once ya get a loop made, I just slipped it on one of the bar studs and bent it around the other stud to get the right size. Then finished it by hand.

I suppose someone smarter than me could come up with a easy way to do it, and crank these things out by the handfuls. I seemed to have gained a number of the older Windsor bars over the years, usually on an old saw, with no S-Clip. The one on the far left, is an original, the next one was my first attempt, the one on the right was second attempt and came out better. Tried both, and they work!!

Gregg,

It was me that suggested that. Why are playing around with junk like that and not compression testing?

Seriously, I start the first loop by putting a 1/4" bolt upright in a vice and then I clamp the end of the wiper blade steel to the bolt with vice grips and pull it around tight. That will get you your first end. I cut off any excess and clean up the bend with needle nose pliers. The second bend is exactly as you descibe it.
It's a great way to make a few but a whole bunch would be pretty tedious

 

[machinisttx]

You got that right!!! I could never figure why in a carb rebuild kit, it comes with everything BUT the metering lever spring! Those are about the most wild and elusive creatures known to man.
You let one of those take a leap on ya, your in for a long hunt. They are small, light and don't make a sound when they land...LOL


Gregg,

I ran across someplace that sold just the spring and bookmarked it. If I find it again, I'll send you the link.

 

[zogger]

I try to hide my lack of any real mechanical skills with imagination....not only that but I am old and fumble things onto the floor a lot,
the pick up thingy is one of my most frequently use tools. I must have reverse magnetic polarity in my fingers, it seems small objects
seem to just jump away when I get near them, they often pass thru a portal into another dimension never to be seen again.

Interdemensional weirdness!

I know it happens!!!

Ok here is one just lately, dogfood bowls, one of a thousand examples...

OK, some peoples pets will carry their bowls around, mine do not, never have, any of them. All the dogs, currently 7 of them, have stainless steel bowls, all IDed and tied to individual dogs. Dogs get fed by pecking pack order, and placement, and what food they get and what quantity. 100% daily routine.

So, go out one day, number 1 large dog, alpha female (not largest, but most..femcho...heh), bowl missing..hmmmm, had to bump everyone one bowl up or down and use a spare plastic cat bowl for the pygmy swamp wookie...this lasts a month. No bowl, looked all over, I mean ALL over, no bowl.

Month later, go outside, there is the correct bowl laying *exactly* where it always goes.....

 

[redunshee]

You got that right!!! I could never figure why in a carb rebuild kit, it comes with everything BUT the metering lever spring! Those are about the most wild and elusive creatures known to man.
You let one of those take a leap on ya, your in for a long hunt. They are small, light and don't make a sound when they land...LOL


Gregg,

And they are like fleas, can cover a lot of distance in one bounce.
Bob

 

[redunshee]

D176 bar mount. Seems that the 20" come in 70DL 3/8 instead of 72 though

Yup. The Oregon D176 requires 60 DL for the 16", 66 for the 18", and 70 for the 20".

 

[jerrycmorrow]

Was out putt-zing around in the shop today, Geezers do that a lot. :confused2: Several weeks ago I saw a seller on ebay selling an S-clip, for the Poulan/Windsor type bars. Seems he was wanting $7 something for one. :msp_scared: I about pooped myself.

Someone on here sometime back suggested trying to make one out of old wiper blade parts. Well, I put new wipers on my truck couple weeks ago, and had an old pair to play with. One of those metal strips on both sides of the rubber, is exactly the same size as the original S-Clip.

I fiddled an came up with one. Decided to try again, the second one was better looking, more original. But both will work!!! I tried all kinds of pliers, hammering around a 5/16" bolt, not easy, but can be done. Once ya get a loop made, I just slipped it on one of the bar studs and bent it around the other stud to get the right size. Then finished it by hand.

I suppose someone smarter than me could come up with a easy way to do it, and crank these things out by the handfuls. I seemed to have gained a number of the older Windsor bars over the years, usually on an old saw, with no S-Clip. The one on the far left, is an original, the next one was my first attempt, the one on the right was second attempt and came out better. Tried both, and they work!!

Gregg,

ever since fossil made that suggestion i've had some old wiper inserts cluttering up my bench. glad to see someone actually went ahead and made some. one of these days... one of these days... i'll want a clean bench and maybe then i'll go ahead and fab some. thanks for the pix. and thanks fossil for the idea.

 

[OhioGregg]

It was me that suggested that. Why are playing around with junk like that and not compression testing?

Seriously, I start the first loop by putting a 1/4" bolt upright in a vice and then I clamp the end of the wiper blade steel to the bolt with vice grips and pull it around tight. That will get you your first end. I cut off any excess and clean up the bend with needle nose pliers. The second bend is exactly as you descibe it.
It's a great way to make a few but a whole bunch would be pretty tedious

I thought that was you Tim, that suggested the wiper parts, couldn't remember for sure.(geezer)
The hard part for me was getting the loops nice and round, the correct size. When I tried to clamp or hold the metal to the bolt, whatever I was using to clamp it, was in the way of bending it! LOL

So I just started a loop, then used pliers to try and finish it. I was using a 5/16" bolt. Maybe the smaller 1/4" bolt would make it easier to get a good tight loop. And, your right. I might try to make another one or two. But its not much fun. Kinda like compression testing a bunch of saws. The fun wears off quickly.


Gregg,

 

[zogger]

making the curl

I think you could roll those wiper blade steel adapters by using a rod of correct diameter with a notch cut down the middle. Insert wiper blade end, roll it around, pull it out from the notch, snip off the inside (somehow).

Or, how about heating the metal first? I don't know enough metallurgy to know how to preserve the spinginess and strength, but must be doable.

 

[fossil]

QUOTE=OhioGregg;4360970]I thought that was you Tim, that suggested the wiper parts, couldn't remember for sure.(geezer)
The hard part for me was getting the loops nice and round, the correct size. When I tried to clamp or hold the metal to the bolt, whatever I was using to clamp it, was in the way of bending it! LOL

So I just started a loop, then used pliers to try and finish it. I was using a 5/16" bolt. Maybe the smaller 1/4" bolt would make it easier to get a good tight loop. And, your right. I might try to make another one or two. But its not much fun. Kinda like compression testing a bunch of saws. The fun wears off quickly.


Gregg,[/QUOTE]

I was thinking a better alternative would be a tension coil spring cut to the proper width. I had a quick look at one of the big box stores and came up empty. If I find something I'll give it a try. The material is hard and it could be wound onto the bar.

Here's how I clamp the material to make the first turn a little straighter. Vice grips and a 1/4" bolt in the vice. I just tweek it a bit with pliers and trim to length.
http://www.arboristsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=298999&d=1370570847

 

[zogger]

well, here's another idea

instead of bending this S shape (I have one that came with a saw), err..how about just some steel tubing of correct OD and ID and just cut to length?

 

[fossil]

instead of bending this S shape (I have one that came with a saw), err..how about just some steel tubing of correct OD and ID and just cut to length?

That would be absolutely perfect. That's why I would love to geta little lathe. I just can't justify the expense for the amount I would use it. Chuck up some small rod, bore it and turn it to size and part it off.

 

[OhioGregg]

instead of bending this S shape (I have one that came with a saw), err..how about just some steel tubing of correct OD and ID and just cut to length?

Yea, Just some tubing of the correct size (thickness) would work. ModifiedMark came up with some coiled springs that slip over the studs that work also. I have several of those on the Poulan saws that I use Husqvarna bars on.


Gregg,

 

[Flintknapper]

Flint, If thats Brad's old 4000, it will be in real nice shape as I remember it. Yes , he did do a little messaging on it. Think he had some videos of it cutting.

That saw has done some traveling, LOL Don't remember where Brad got it, but it went from Ohio to Hawaii, to Texas.
Gregg,

I believe this is the origin of the saw:

http://www.arboristsite.com/chainsaw/106944.htm

Might find time this weekend to put it in some wood and tune it for my locale. Very happy with it so far.

Just need to find a 'Big' saw to round out the stable.

 

[machinisttx]

I think you could roll those wiper blade steel adapters by using a rod of correct diameter with a notch cut down the middle. Insert wiper blade end, roll it around, pull it out from the notch, snip off the inside (somehow).

Or, how about heating the metal first? I don't know enough metallurgy to know how to preserve the spinginess and strength, but must be doable.

It depends on the particular alloy and the existing hardness as to how much heat can be applied without altering anything. I haven't worked with spring steels much, but I could probably find the data if you know the alloy. I'd guess that you couldn't bring the temperature up to more than around 500 degrees though, maybe less, and that's not really enough in my opinion to be of much benefit. You could anneal it, bend it, and then redo the heat treat and tempering though.

 

[machinisttx]

That would be absolutely perfect. That's why I would love to geta little lathe. I just can't justify the expense for the amount I would use it. Chuck up some small rod, bore it and turn it to size and part it off.

I bought some small diameter steel tube at tractor supply several years ago. It was the correct ID/OD to make replacement bushings for an old troy bilt tiller I have. No point in doing any extra work. :msp_smile: