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Talking with a member here about a 3.7 he picked up. Got a couple of questions for you fellows.

Were any of the 3800's ever sold as red Craftsman 3.7's, or were all of the red saws 3700's? I'm looking for a red 3.7, and only want a 3700 (instead of a 3800) as I don't dig 'bare' cylinders and cromed pistons.

Other than the chromed piston/bare cylinder deal in the 3800's (and the possibility of a Zama C3 instead of a Walbro HDB carb), are there any other substantial differences between 3700's and 3800's? Was there more plastic (such as the rear handle piece, starter housing, or clutch cover) used in the construction of the 3800? Is there an easy visual way to tell a 3700 from a 3800 (other than the chromed piston) when looking at a rebadged saw such as a Craftsman 3.7?

Funny how the internet works. You mention that you're looking for something in the right place, and it falls in your lap. Got a couple Homelite E-Z/Super E-Z leads for the same reason. That's more understandable, as it's mentioned in my siggy...:D




Don't be too harsh on the unplated cylinders with chrome pistons.
The myriad 3400/3700/4000 saws out there running great still yet, (despite having one of the worst air filteration systems ever) is proof beyond ANY shadow of doubt that it isn't such a bad set up!
Also makes me wonder about all the whiners out there wringing their hands over a miniscule amount of "fines" getting past their air filters!


Mike
 
Looking good LP!!!!:msp_thumbsup:
Just a small family branch, from a much bigger tree of saws, from what I gather..LOL
:cheers:
Gregg,
:D I think somebody may have told you a story Gregg :monkey:
As of now the Poulans have taken over the shop I think. Like I said, I kinda lost count. I tried to inventory the other week and record all the serial numbers- I didnt get very far before getting distracted.
I might have to update the family photo with this nice weather.
 
Don't be too harsh on the unplated cylinders with chrome pistons.
The myriad 3400/3700/4000 saws out there running great still yet, (despite having one of the worst air filteration systems ever) is proof beyond ANY shadow of doubt that it isn't such a bad set up!
Also makes me wonder about all the whiners out there wringing their hands over a miniscule amount of "fines" getting past their air filters!


Mike

Thanks for the input Mike. Now to really show my Poulan ignorance. Do I understand your statement correctly in that there were 3400/3700/4000 Poulans that had plated pistons and unplated jugs? I thought those saws had plated jugs and bare pistons, and the Poulan unplated jug nonsense happened subsequent to the poulan/weedeater changeover........after the 3400-4000 saws weren't being produced anymore. I've got a lot to learn about these Poulans...

My own experience with unplated jugs has been poor. I can't stand bare alluminum cylinder B&S and Tecumseh engines (iron liners or chrome/nik plating for me thank you). I worked on hundreds of pieces of unplated jug poulan/weedeater OPE. Was never impressed with the durability (or lack thereof). The 3400-4000 series isn't one that I have much experience with however (other than the simple carb work and such I mentioned earlier). Hmmm.........:msp_blink:
 
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hey arron i sent you a pm about a carb i got that you might be looking for
 
Thanks for the input Mike. Now to really show my Poulan ignorance. Do I understand your statement correctly in that there were 3400/3700/4000 Poulans that had plated pistons and unplated jugs? I thought those saws had plated jugs and bare pistons, and the Poulan unplated jug nonsense happened subsequent to the poulan/weedeater changeover........after the 3400-4000 saws weren't being produced anymore. I've got a lot to learn about these Poulans...

My own experience with unplated jugs has been poor. I can't stand bare alluminum cylinder B&S and Tecumseh engines (iron liners or chrome/nik plating for me thank you). I worked on hundreds of pieces of unplated jug poulan/weedeater OPE. Was never impressed with the durability (or lack thereof). The 3400-4000 series isn't one that I have much experience with however (other than the simple carb work and such I mentioned earlier). Hmmm.........:msp_blink:

Yes. Have seen many variations. Many 3400's had plated pistons and unplated jugs. Not sure if they all did but from my experience most did.
 
i will have to try it again on one thats a lil whipped as practice! so does the 4000 have ummm free spining rings like the smaller poulans? if so what position do you load them in like 6 oclock and 12? how long does that sealent give you time wise to get it together? i may take a beater and practice for lack of a better term sliding it inthe cylinder as i fumbled with the last one i took apart .. god if i touch anything like tar chaulk etc i get it every where i may try it a few times and just clean it off ffast with carb cleaner....

No, the 4000 as well as 3700 and 3400 have ring pins that determine where the ring openings sit. These are on the intake side of the piston at approx. 4 and 7 o'clock. In fact most saws have ring pins that help position the ring ends. Dirko skims over kinda fast in like in a couple minutes so you need to work somewhat quickly but at breakneck speed. Yup. If you gradually pick up the ring end and work out the ring slowly, it'll come lout. I've done it on all my saws , even the S25DA's.
Bob
 
4000 pictures

First I'll apologize for not being able to open the picture in the body of the post. I've never been able to do it even under the old Arboristsite format.
Here is my newly acquired and refurbed 4000. I noticed the decals are a slightly different color and "Professional" is added to the recoil side decal. Other than that its the same old 4000. Saw was filthy but it cleaned up pretty well.

Bob
 
Thanks for the input Mike. Now to really show my Poulan ignorance. Do I understand your statement correctly in that there were 3400/3700/4000 Poulans that had plated pistons and unplated jugs? I thought those saws had plated jugs and bare pistons, and the Poulan unplated jug nonsense happened subsequent to the poulan/weedeater changeover........after the 3400-4000 saws weren't being produced anymore. I've got a lot to learn about these Poulans...

My own experience with unplated jugs has been poor. I can't stand bare alluminum cylinder B&S and Tecumseh engines (iron liners or chrome/nik plating for me thank you). I worked on hundreds of pieces of unplated jug poulan/weedeater OPE. Was never impressed with the durability (or lack thereof). The 3400-4000 series isn't one that I have much experience with however (other than the simple carb work and such I mentioned earlier). Hmmm.........:msp_blink:

Like Mike said, The number of 3400's out there, still running strong is great testament to the chrome piston/bare cyl. setup. Even though I personally favor the opposite.
As far as differences in the Poulan/Craftsman versions. Your likely to find all kinds of combos. Nothing was set in stone seems to me. I have not owned a 3800 or a grey Craftsman, so can't speak from exp. All Poulan 3700's I have seen, have magnesium clutch covers. But, all red Craftsman versions were plastic. Same for the 4000, all I have seen were plastic on them also.
The 3400 Poulans seem to all have magnesium covers also.

I guess we need a Poulan engineer from back in the day, to join this forum, to answer questions like these. LOL To my understanding the 3400 was the first in that line of saws. The 3700 was added couple years later. So why did they switch to plated bore and bare piston on those, and continue making the 3400 far a number of years with the opposite.
You would think if it wasn't a good design, they would have changed over, but they didn't.:msp_confused:

To my knowledge the 4000 replaced the 3700 after several years. Few minor changes with that saw, slightly bigger cc displacement & better air filter setup. Little better starter to flywheel setup also, metal on metal instead of plastic to metal. Plus added opening to the muffler.

Throwing the 3800 & Craftsman versions in the middle of that mix is baffling to me..LOL Then they added the 375,385,395 models in at the end of production of that series of saws, when they changed the name to Poulan Pro, and colors too. Sure wish we could find a higher-up that worked at Poulan, that could answer some of these questions.
:cheers:
Gregg,
 
Well first of all as Gregg said, when it comes to Poulan there is nothing set in stone.
I'm not sure if there were any unplated cylinder 4000s but I would say there probably are.
I know that most of the 3400s where unplated and at least part of the 3700s too.
I have a real clean 3700 cylinder that I saved for a project that isn't plated.
I believe that Poulan had multiple parts vendors and used the parts that they could get the best deal on when their supplies ran low.
The different combinations I've seen of choke levers, A.V. mounts, starter pawls and recoil covers, clutch covers and thick/thin rings would blow your mind.

I do understand your apprehension about unplated cylinders, as well as the stupid comments and statements about them from the "non Poulan" world, but I have seen MANY 3400s and 3700s with low compression due to worn rings but VERY few with any cylinder wear at all.
In short, an unplated cylinder on a Poulan would be at the very bottom of my list of things to be concerned about. If it has good compression and a clean p/c looking through the exhaust port, starts and runs out good, oils the chain and isn't loose in the A.V. buy it!


Mike
 
Thanks for the input Mike. Now to really show my Poulan ignorance. Do I understand your statement correctly in that there were 3400/3700/4000 Poulans that had plated pistons and unplated jugs? I thought those saws had plated jugs and bare pistons, and the Poulan unplated jug nonsense happened subsequent to the poulan/weedeater changeover........after the 3400-4000 saws weren't being produced anymore. I've got a lot to learn about these Poulans...

My own experience with unplated jugs has been poor. I can't stand bare alluminum cylinder B&S and Tecumseh engines (iron liners or chrome/nik plating for me thank you). I worked on hundreds of pieces of unplated jug poulan/weedeater OPE. Was never impressed with the durability (or lack thereof). The 3400-4000 series isn't one that I have much experience with however (other than the simple carb work and such I mentioned earlier). Hmmm.........:msp_blink:

Aaron, I know where your coming from but you need to get over that Briggs phobia. :msp_cool: You seem to have been infected by some nasty AS virus brought on by listening to some undeducated saw snobs.

These unplated cyl on this series is not the same as those old briggs. Poulan touted them as a high silicone inpregnated cyl for whatever that means, but the bottom line is that there basically a non issue as long as the saw got any kind of care at all.

The unplated ones were sold by the tons and there are so many still out and running its truely a testement to there design. Yes the air filtration leaves some to be desired but to me a 3400 doesn't seem to be any worse then a Sthil 290 in that department. What do the Stihl boys say in that defense? Clean the air filter often!

The 3700's slotted cover seem to offer some inprovement and the filters seemed to stay alot cleaner longer and by the time the 4000 rolled around it was a good system and a non issue.

The main thing with these is the unplated cyls do offer a little less tolerance to overheating and being leaned out. The plated cyls offer just a little more time on a lean engine before they score.

Under the same conditions I believe that both are going to score anyway.

Now to your questions, the 3400 and 3800 were the only saw in this series without plated jugs.

As to the red 3.7 saws, most were 3700's with plated bores and thin ring pistons, but I have seen at least one with a thick ring piston and unplated bore. I have no way of knowing if it was stock that way or a replacement but I think it is fair to say that most are 3700's.

As far as I know all the gray 3.7's were 3800's.

The unplated jugs were not caused by the Weedeater deal they were there before that with the 3400.

Back in the day I was sure that I seen a plated 3400 but I cannot document that and I now seem to think I might have seen a saw with a rebuilt Sunbelt piston and cyl on it.

Like I said its a big to do about nothing around here on this site, in the real world it seems to matter little.

Poulan did continue with the unplated cyls in some of the next series of saws like the 3300 etc while some like the 3000 got the plated cyls. Who knows why?
 
Well first of all as Gregg said, when it comes to Poulan there is nothing set in stone.
I'm not sure if there were any unplated cylinder 4000s but I would say there probably are.
I know that most of the 3400s where unplated and at least part of the 3700s too.
I have a real clean 3700 cylinder that I saved for a project that isn't plated.
I believe that Poulan had multiple parts vendors and used the parts that they could get the best deal on when their supplies ran low.
The different combinations I've seen of choke levers, A.V. mounts, starter pawls and recoil covers, clutch covers and thick/thin rings would blow your mind.

I do understand your apprehension about unplated cylinders, as well as the stupid comments and statements about them from the "non Poulan" world, but I have seen MANY 3400s and 3700s with low compression due to worn rings but VERY few with any cylinder wear at all.
In short, an unplated cylinder on a Poulan would be at the very bottom of my list of things to be concerned about. If it has good compression and a clean p/c looking through the exhaust port, starts and runs out good, oils the chain and isn't loose in the A.V. buy it!


Mike

Pretty much agree with all that!
 
First I'll apologize for not being able to open the picture in the body of the post. I've never been able to do it even under the old Arboristsite format.
Here is my newly acquired and refurbed 4000. I noticed the decals are a slightly different color and "Professional" is added to the recoil side decal. Other than that its the same old 4000. Saw was filthy but it cleaned up pretty well.

Bob
Nice Bob!! I got one just like that. I like the green & black combo. I'll see if I can get your pics to show here. :msp_smile:

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:cheers:
Gregg,
 
O.K. Guys!!!

What's the verdict???

Did I pay too much for a 3400 with 4000 parts on it, or did I get a pretty good buy on a 4000 with a 3400 decal on it?????
It was listed as a 3400 but I'm not so sure.


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Mike
 
O.K. Guys!!!

What's the verdict???

Did I pay too much for a 3400 with 4000 parts on it, or did I get a pretty good buy on a 4000 with a 3400 decal on it?????
It was listed as a 3400 but I'm not so sure.


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Mike

Your a dog..... :clap:
 
O.K. Guys!!!

What's the verdict???

Did I pay too much for a 3400 with 4000 parts on it, or did I get a pretty good buy on a 4000 with a 3400 decal on it?????
It was listed as a 3400 but I'm not so sure.


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Mike

I see no 3400 decal, send it to me for verification, please.:msp_razz: If it has a 4000 filter under it, you know what you have. If it doesn't, probably should find one.
 

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