Nik's Poulan Thread

[sac]

Yes if it is a rim sprocket you just need to change the rim.
I don't think a .404 even came in the small spline but check to make sure the new rim and the old rim are the same drive size.


Mike

I agree Mike. I'm guessing the .404-7 rim Scott speaks of is on his Dayton badged 245. They seem to have come with .404 quite often.

If I remember correctly the 3/8 and .404 rims should fit your drum. Make sure if you have a sprocket tip bar that you change it when changing the rim, roller nose and hard nose bars do not discriminate against chain size, just make sure you have the proper gauge.

Only the Dayton with Power sharp version came with .404 as far as I know and have seen so far.

So yes a standard 3/8s rim can be used on that clutch drum.

Yes it is a Power sharp.
Thanks guys, I forgot that I had a 3/8 rim off of a Craftsman 3.7.Took the clutch back off the Dayton and slipped right on. Now the b/c fits great.

 

[heimannm]

A big thank you to Mweba for stopping by this week and removing the 3400 from my shop, no need to tempt collecting another line of saws. Now I can get serious on the next McProject.

That particular saw make another appearance in Mitch's spark plug thread repair video.

Mark

 

[a. palmer jr.]

Well went to put on a 20" 3/8 B/C off one of my other saws today so I could take it out and cut with it, but didn't fit right. Pulled clutch off sprocket rim is a .404-7. Can I put just a 3/8-7 rim on this housing or do I have to get a complete 3/8-7 sprocket assy. Would there be a benefit on using the bigger pitch?

Thanks Scott

All I can say is that everything has to match up including the gauge of the bar and chain or it won't cut straight. If you have a solid tip bar you won't have to worry about the nose sprocket matching but clutch and chain have to be the same. You can use a 3/8 rim if the size is the same, I think they have a small spline and a large. I can't think of an advantage of the .404 and stuff is getting hard to find for it since everything has gone smaller now.

 

[rms61moparman]

All I can say is that everything has to match up including the gauge of the bar and chain or it won't cut straight. If you have a solid tip bar you won't have to worry about the nose sprocket matching but clutch and chain have to be the same. You can use a 3/8 rim if the size is the same, I think they have a small spline and a large. I can't think of an advantage of the .404 and stuff is getting hard to find for it since everything has gone smaller now.

There is definitely an advantage with the .404 ......IF your saw has the cojones to pull it properly!
The chips coming out of a .404 chain look like you are dumping a bucket full of nickels.
It does pull hard though and the 3/8ths is not only more available, but cheaper by far also.


Mike

 

[Eccentric]

.404-.063G is still pretty damn available (not so much at local shops though). It is rapidly getting more expensive. .404 rims are easy to find. .404-.058G and .404-.050G is NOT very available in the states anymore. Still common in the UK and OZ as I understand it...

 

[8433jeff]

Around here, .404-.058 is common. But .404 is not.

 

[Eccentric]

Around here, .404-.058 is common. But .404-.050 is not.

Fixed it for you my friend. .404-.058G is common there??? Now I know not to pass up the .058G McCulloch bars on feebay anymore. There's some guys in the Pioneer thread that'd be glad to hear that as well. Many old McCullochs and Pioneers used .404-.058G. Some can't easily be changed to 3/8" pitch chain (precluding them from using super common 3/8-.058G). I may be bugging you to send me chain loops in the future...

 

[a. palmer jr.]

There is definitely an advantage with the .404 ......IF your saw has the cojones to pull it properly!
The chips coming out of a .404 chain look like you are dumping a bucket full of nickels.
It does pull hard though and the 3/8ths is not only more available, but cheaper by far also.


Mike

I think I still have a couple of 80cc saws that have a .404, old McCullochs and maybe a homelite. I'm not sure what my C5 has on it..

 

[Eccentric]

I think I still have a couple of 80cc saws that have a .404, old McCullochs and maybe a homelite. I'm not sure what my C5 has on it..

Your C-5 would have come from the dealer with .404 or 7/16" chain. What's happened in the following 45 years is anyone's guess. 3/8" spur sprockets were cataloged for them, as were rim drive drums (which'd let you run whatever pitch you could match with your bar). I run .404 on my 77cc Homelite C-5, my ancient 82cc Homelite EZ6, and all my other 87cc and up saws (except for the gear drives that run 1/2" until I can swap 'em to .404). The 53cc through 82cc saws in my stable (except for the C-5 and my EZ6) all run 3/8" chain.

 

[sac]

When you use the .404 chain do you run a shorter bar also?

Scott

 

[Modifiedmark]

Here is my Dayton/Poulan 245SA when it was wearing the original 21" roller bar, .404 barracuda chain and 404x7 sprocket.

I have cut with this combo and belive me it pulls it very well. The 245 has pleanty of power for .404 up to reasonable bar sizes.

 

[Modifiedmark]

A big thank you to Mweba for stopping by this week and removing the 3400 from my shop, no need to tempt collecting another line of saws. Now I can get serious on the next McProject.

That particular saw make another appearance in Mitch's spark plug thread repair video.

Mark

Mark, I always knew you were a very smart man but you just proved your even smarter then I thought.

You just saved yourself alot of money by sending that Poulan to Mitch. You would have been looking for 3700's, 4000's, 5200's ETC from then on.

Besides you saved your Macs alot of embarasment from haveing that Poulan sitting in the shop and laughing at them all day long. :hmm3grin2orange:

Joking here of course except about the looking for more part. Glad Mitch got it, it went to a good home.

 

[sac]

Here is my Dayton/Poulan 245SA when it was wearing the original 21" roller bar, .404 barracuda chain and 404x7 sprocket.

I have cut with this combo and belive me it pulls it very well. The 245 has pleanty of power for .404 up to reasonable bar sizes.

Sorry to bug you with all these questions, but do you think it would work good with a 24" with a .404 chain?

Thanks

 

[Modifiedmark]

Sorry to bug you with all these questions, but do you think it would work good with a 24" with a .404 chain?

Thanks

Probably do fine with it but IMO its not worth the trouble. We know they do great with 3/8's and 24-28" bars.

Here is what that saw runs today after It was totally rebuilt and changed to a 463A model. It wears a 24" power match with 72LP chain. When I say "A" model I'm meaning that it was changed from the early version with the auto decomp to the later version with the manual decomp. (it was the only new cyl I could find. )

This saw was one of the famous bad ebay deals that turned into a money dump project.

The seller thought he described it right but power washed the saw prior to listing it then let is set a month before he sold it. The seller did come straight on it and I got it basically for shipping but it got a new everything in the rebuild. NOS P/C, Rod, all bearings, gaskets, seals etc. Its basically a new saw but to me it was worth every cent and hour invested in it. There a great saw and a all time classic.

 

[sac]

Thank you that is what I was looking for. I picked mine up for 20 bucks off of cl. Cleaned it up a bit and new fuel lines, filter, carb kit.
Thanks Again. This picture is from the night I got it, should put up the cleaned up version.

 

[8433jeff]

Fixed it for you my friend. .404-.058G is common there??? Now I know not to pass up the .058G McCulloch bars on feebay anymore. There's some guys in the Pioneer thread that'd be glad to hear that as well. Many old McCullochs and Pioneers used .404-.058G. Some can't easily be changed to 3/8" pitch chain (precluding them from using super common 3/8-.058G). I may be bugging you to send me chain loops in the future...

No, never seen any .404-.050. .058 is common, .063 still the king in .404. .404 in general here is rare, I should have worded it that way. Big chain here is 3/8. Very rare to see a new saw bigger than 70cc. And 3/8 .063 is rarer yet.
Stihl dealer didn't have any .063 for Aandy (my c-5) and his new bar, just .058. "Well, that will work, right?"

Ah, no. Not today. Or tomorrow either...

 

[tbone75]

Thank you that is what I was looking for. I picked mine up for 20 bucks off of cl. Cleaned it up a bit and new fuel lines, filter, carb kit.
Thanks Again. This picture is from the night I got it, should put up the cleaned up version.

Don't look bad the way it is! :msp_thumbup:

 

[heimannm]

I have about 75' of .404 / .050 Oregon chain with the bumpers. If someone really needs a loop of .404 / .050 I should be able to set you up.

M Mark - I don't have a big enough shop at this time to try collecting more than one brand, I do have a few odd and ends about but I figured a Poulan needs to be with someone that can truy appreciate it. As Mitch can attest, the Poulan wasn't laughing in my shop...

Mark

 

[mweba]

I don't believe the Poulan would win any fights in Mark's shop but it sure can run faster:hmm3grin2orange: Although it isn't fair getting such a big head start.........the Poulan starting within three pulls and all.













Sorry, I couldn't help myself! Thanks for the saw!

 

[a. palmer jr.]

Your C-5 would have come from the dealer with .404 or 7/16" chain. What's happened in the following 45 years is anyone's guess. 3/8" spur sprockets were cataloged for them, as were rim drive drums (which'd let you run whatever pitch you could match with your bar). I run .404 on my 77cc Homelite C-5, my ancient 82cc Homelite EZ6, and all my other 87cc and up saws (except for the gear drives that run 1/2" until I can swap 'em to .404). The 53cc through 82cc saws in my stable (except for the C-5 and my EZ6) all run 3/8" chain.

I just went out and checked, the C5 bar and chain and I assume sprocket were changed to 3/8. The only ones with .404 appear to be a McCulloch 1-40, a 1-42 and a Homelite Buz. My Homelite Zip has a 3/8 on it also. All my Poulans, too numerous to mention, are 3/8 and .325. I'm gonna have to check sometime soon and make sure they all have a matching sprocket for the chain that's on them. Some of the previous owners will surprise you!