Pioneer chainsaws

[tomdcoker]

Yes, Pioneer was manufactored in Canada. He told me that it was supposed to be two trailers, but turned into three trailers. I hope you can get any parts you need. Tom

Parts for this saw?

 

[pioneerguy600]

That is very good to know, thanks Tom. I do buy a lot of parts from Bryce.

 

[joe25DA]

farmsaw

Well its done. I must say this might be the easiest saws that Ive worked on. Pioneer built saws for ease of maintenance. For example, the notch in the carb box to get a better angle with the screwdriver to the left side carb screw. Homelite SXLs use a similar set up but its a PITA to get to that bolt! Ill post here first with pics tomorrow.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Well its done. I must say this might be the easiest saws that Ive worked on. Pioneer built saws for ease of maintenance. For example, the notch in the carb box to get a better angle with the screwdriver to the left side carb screw. Homelite SXLs use a similar set up but its a PITA to get to that bolt! Ill post here first with pics tomorrow.

You are right on the money there Joe,..the Pioneers were made to last and are easy to work on. With a little maintenence that is easy to carry out these saws are still out there running and cutting for their owners even though they have`n been made since 1985, many are much older and are still running.

 

[singleken45]

Pioneer 2400 chainsaw

:help:I had just picked up a Pioneer 2400 & I'm very curious as to the originl color of this saw when new . It's painted now in a dark ugly green which looks original . I read on another site where the color was listed as yellow/green . But was told by a collector friend they came in dark green . Does anyone here know what color I should repaint it too ? I also need a new air filter badly .And what is the chain / bar guage ? If anyone has a nice picture they could email me plus any manuals , please oh please help .Also any ideas of parts availability & who ? Any help would be apprecaited .:msp_thumbup:God bless, [email protected]

 

[pioneerguy600]

The original color of the 2400 could have been that ugly green you speak of, there was a lot of them made in that color that were intended for international sales, mostly Europe. I have seen them in picts but never got to handle one. Parts are not plenty full but can be found with patience and searching. IPL`s can be found in this thread under fellow member Petesoldsaw`s signature and if you look up Chainsawr.com at the top of the page and open that site there are IPL`s for most saws found there.

 

[P62]

:help:I had just picked up a Pioneer 2400 & I'm very curious as to the originl color of this saw when new . It's painted now in a dark ugly green which looks original . I read on another site where the color was listed as yellow/green . But was told by a collector friend they came in dark green . Does anyone here know what color I should repaint it too ? I also need a new air filter badly .And what is the chain / bar guage ? If anyone has a nice picture they could email me plus any manuals , please oh please help .Also any ideas of parts availability & who ? Any help would be apprecaited .:msp_thumbup:God bless, [email protected]

singleken
You are on the right thread for sure. Lots of Pioneer fans here.
I recently acquired several boxes of new old stock NOS parts. There are 5 air filters #428728 Check your IPL for the saw.
Let me know any parts you need and will try to help you out.
jeff

 

[joe25DA]

Farmsaw

I finished it the other night. I got this saw in the best saw deal Ive ever had. In 2 trips I got about 20 saws, a chop saw, weedwacker, and 2 leaf blowers. The orig owner told me the saw hadnt run in a few years and he had thought it was a bad coil. I tor it down and cleaned all the parts. I found an NOS electronic ign and bolted that on. Next I rebuilt the carb and ran new fuel lines and a filter. I must say the automatic decomp system run off the recoil is a very cool design. This saw was a breeze to work on. That's not always the case when you get a saw brand you've never worked on before. I set the HL both 1turn out and in 3 pulls it started. A little adjustment on the HL and Idle and the saw runs like a champ. Lots of grunt in this one. If anyone has a lead on some decals Id appreciate it.
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[imagineero]

hi all,
just signing in on this thread after wading through it for a day... Got my first free saw yesterday and it was a 620. You can read about it here;

http://www.arboristsite.com/chainsaw/173792.htm

Pics are in this thread also.

It looks to be only moderately abused, mostly there but missing a few bits. I've got no experience with pioneers at all so it's hard to say. A guy gave it to me when I was doing a trim job in the house next door, said it was working but missing a spring. From the looks of it the recoil spring has snapped, but seems like it's also missing the shoes that engage the flywheel to start it.

I had a quick go at it today, not sure whether I was doing the right thing or not. Drained the fuel and filled with some fresh 40:1. Drained the glass bowl. The fuel in it didnt seem that bad. Removed the cover off the flywheel and wrapped the starter cord round it a few times to get a pull. Does the flywheel turn clockwise if facing it? This is how I was trying to start it.

Just trying to sort whether its worth putting some money into or parting it out. Have plenty of saws already and I work as a tree guy so it's more a curio than anything. Would be nice to see it running and have a go though, have never run an old saw like this and would like to try it. Have been keeping my eye out for an 090 for some time (as has everyone else by the looks of things!) but this might be my second choice ;-)

Not sure if the killswitch is original, but if it is, is 'on' up or down? I had about 30 pulls at it today, but too many variables in there... about half with the switch up, half down. Might not have even been spinning it the right way. Might have flooded it. And then of course the whole thing of each saw having it's own particular needs of needing the choke full, half, throttle or whatever to make it tick.

Any advice appreciated!

Shaun

 

[Arrowhead]

Nice looking farmsaw Joe. There was some farmsaw decals popping up on the bay a couple months ago. I'll keep my eyes open for you.

 

[moparman]

Pioneer P45

I also have never heard of a P45. I have a P41 in the project line and I thought it was made in Peterborough.

I looked it up and Huron Park is a little bit away. I would still like to know the year of that saw as being a Poulan it has to be 1988 or newer.

See I have heard that everything for those saws was sent to the states in 1988 but have found different storys on that and it might not have happend till 1993.

I would seem that the Pioneer/Partner branded saws would still have been manufactured in Peterborough from 84-88 or so?

Mark & Justin,

You are correct, there is not such a thing as a Pioneer P45. The P45 was developed as a Pioneer Partner in Huron Park by a friend of mine - Kevin Murray.

The Pioneers were moved to the Trail Manufacturing plant in Huron Park (outside London, ON) and the plant became known as EMAB Canada sometime in '83. Product became known as Pioneer Partner 12/01/83.

The Poulan Pro line-up was finalized on 12/17/87 including the PP405, 455, 525 & 655 (Pioneer saws from Emab Canada). Production of these saws continued in Canada. The production of the Pioneer based saws did not start in Nashville, AR until 1993 (I believe) - close to their production end. For some of these saws, that was a 20 year run - there are very few other pro saws in the world that can claim that.

 

[Modifiedmark]

Mark & Justin,

You are correct, there is not such a thing as a Pioneer P45. The P45 was developed as a Pioneer Partner in Huron Park by a friend of mine - Kevin Murray.

The Pioneers were moved to the Trail Manufacturing plant in Huron Park (outside London, ON) and the plant became known as EMAB Canada sometime in '83. Product became known as Pioneer Partner 12/01/83.

The Poulan Pro line-up was finalized on 12/17/87 including the PP405, 455, 525 & 655 (Pioneer saws from Emab Canada). Production of these saws continued in Canada. The production of the Pioneer based saws did not start in Nashville, AR until 1993 (I believe) - close to their production end. For some of these saws, that was a 20 year run - there are very few other pro saws in the world that can claim that.

Thanks Paul, that makes more sense.

 

[pioneerguy600]

hi all,
just signing in on this thread after wading through it for a day... Got my first free saw yesterday and it was a 620. You can read about it here;

http://www.arboristsite.com/chainsaw/173792.htm

Pics are in this thread also.

It looks to be only moderately abused, mostly there but missing a few bits. I've got no experience with pioneers at all so it's hard to say. A guy gave it to me when I was doing a trim job in the house next door, said it was working but missing a spring. From the looks of it the recoil spring has snapped, but seems like it's also missing the shoes that engage the flywheel to start it.

I had a quick go at it today, not sure whether I was doing the right thing or not. Drained the fuel and filled with some fresh 40:1. Drained the glass bowl. The fuel in it didnt seem that bad. Removed the cover off the flywheel and wrapped the starter cord round it a few times to get a pull. Does the flywheel turn clockwise if facing it? This is how I was trying to start it.

Just trying to sort whether its worth putting some money into or parting it out. Have plenty of saws already and I work as a tree guy so it's more a curio than anything. Would be nice to see it running and have a go though, have never run an old saw like this and would like to try it. Have been keeping my eye out for an 090 for some time (as has everyone else by the looks of things!) but this might be my second choice ;-)

Not sure if the killswitch is original, but if it is, is 'on' up or down? I had about 30 pulls at it today, but too many variables in there... about half with the switch up, half down. Might not have even been spinning it the right way. Might have flooded it. And then of course the whole thing of each saw having it's own particular needs of needing the choke full, half, throttle or whatever to make it tick.

Any advice appreciated!

Shaun

Welcome to the Pioneer thread,..Lets see if I can answer a few of your questions on the 620.The engine turns anti clockwise when facing the recoil side. The starter mechanism is a Fairbanks Morse friction type starter which was very common on older saws.It is made up of friction washers, a coil spring for tension and the shoes that grab the cup on the flywheel. These parts are still available. The recoil spring can just have the broken end rebent if you still have it or replaced completely if not. The off switch can be installed either way so there is no way to tell from here if the run position is up or down. Remove the wire from it and get the saw to start, it only acts as a shut off switch by grounding out the coil so with the switch disconnected the saw will run. Once the saw is up and running it will be easy to figure out the switch position. The switch can easily be tested with a multi meter if you have one and know how to use it.
To start the choke needs to be full on, lever flipped down and pull the engine over til the saw hits and may start to run a bit, then flip the lever up to run.

 

[pioneerman]

P28 Carb Cover

Stopped at my local Husky dealer who used to sell Pioneer at one time to get some AV mounts for my P28. As he was looking through his parts bins, I noticed this NOS small series carb cover. He didn't have any pricing for it, but sold it for $10.00 with a new air cleaner in it. Also picked up a parts P28 with the chain brake cover, along with a new AV mount.

 

[WesternSaw]

Pioneerman

That's a good deal for sure Pioneerman!
Lawrence

 

[brokenbudget]

that is an excelent deal!

now go see if he has more:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[DSS]

I'm still needing some a/v mounts for a p-28 myself, if anyone has any. Trying to avoid buying new....I'm cheap.

 

[pioneerman]

av mounts

That was the only cover he had or I would have taken all. I had a couple of av mounts that had a clean break that I glued together using loctite super glue. They are holding together for now, but I haven't worked the saw. Will be interesting to see if they hold up or not. Nothing to lose by trying.

 

[pioneerman]

P25 air cleaner cover

A P25 air cleaner cover for sale on ebay for anyone looking for one.

 

[pioneerman]

Pioneer 400

My son brought home a Pioneer 400 that his friend was given by a family member. Saw is all there and looks to be in decent condition. It has been sitting for about 20 years. He would like me to get it up and running. I see that they used a Brown carb. Are there any kits out there for these before I tear the carb down? What about points and condenser although the points can probably be cleaned.