Pioneer chainsaws

[ML12]

Yeah, Vancouver BC. I have an HM as well that I repaired the starter on. The engineering on the IELs is impressive. They are really well made. Any thoughts on the reed valve?

 

[rocketnorton]

ya, I like iel/pioneer saws, got a few. am in surrey, one hc is parts saw. yer welcome to come out & look. reply to
[email protected]
if interested. sometimes not here for days.

few here

 

[295 tramp]

Thanks for the help on the chain, etc guys... I ended up buying a chain and master links online.
Before and After. Will get some video of it in action before long.

nice resto and the pickaroon sets it off

 

[ML12]

here is the HM I have, and the starter cup I repaired, it has the ring from a stihl 090 pressed into it.

 

[Pionner RA-450-A-B]

Thanks to everyone for their info and help.

Does anyone have, or know where I could find a gas cap for an RA?

I bought another Pioneer junk saw for the gas cap, which looked to be the same as the one on my RA. But when I tried to get it off the saw it broke.

 

[pioneersaw123]

What new bars are compatable with the pioneer p50? Looking for a 24" bar

 

[295 tramp]

the starter cup I repaired, it has the ring from a stihl 090 pressed into it.

Saws looks great, was the starter ring for the 090 the same diameter? It looks like the starter cup is cracked. I need to do something with my RA.
I was thinking about having mine milled for the nylon insert that stihl used.

 

[67L36Driver]

What new bars are compatable with the pioneer p50? Looking for a 24" bar

I've snagged several NOS Pioneer bars off evilbay in the past.
18", 24" and 28".

 

[pioneerguy600]

Bryce Stott at Cheap Chainsaw Parts has quite a few OEM Pioneer bars, I bought a dozen from him a year or so ago, see them listed on his site quite often. He has a couple tractor trailer loads of Pioneer parts.

 

[pioneersaw123]

Thanks for the info. What size chains do you usually run on a p50?

 

[pioneerguy600]

I run 3/8" chisel chain on mine.

 

[paul hill]

That's what I use too. 3/8 .50 gauge chisel chain on most of my Pioneers.

I haven't done it...yet, but I know a lot of people have taken a large mount Husky bar and modified it with a file to fit the Pioneers. I'll bet someone on here can explain the process to you if you

 

[ML12]

Saws looks great, was the starter ring for the 090 the same diameter? It looks like the starter cup is cracked. I need to do something with my RA.
I was thinking about having mine milled for the nylon insert that stihl used.

No the starter ring for the 090 was slightly larger, I had to use the lathe to open up the starter cup to press it in. And yes the cup was cracked when I got it so I pressed a steel sleeve around it to stop the cracks from opening up. I have another IEL on the work bench now and one of the stihl nylon inserts on order. The steel ring just pressed in easy and didn't require any adhesives, the nylon one is keyed and will likely require some sort of epoxy to hold it in.

 

[ML12]

This is my P50, it has 3/8" 0.058 chain.

 

[pioneersaw123]

Thanks again. Is there and pros or cons of having a larger gauge? And whats a chisel chain (kinda new to this)

 

[paul hill]

Thanks again. Is there and pros or cons of having a larger gauge? And whats a chisel chain (kinda new to this)

I'm no expert but as I know it, the larger gauges of chain are usually uses in bigger saws, longer bars, and harder wood. I think it comes down to more steel equals a stronger chain. It seems like some manufacturers have preferences and different regions do too. I run almost everything in 3/8 .50 gauge but do have some .063 on some longer bars.

Square filed chisel chain is great stuff. It cuts very fast but takes special files or an expensive grinder to sharpen it. I've been learning how to file it but it takes me quite a while to sharpen a chain this way. It's been fun to learn but you have to commit a lot of time and patience to learn. Someone to help you is very important too.

Here's a picture of a square filed chisel chain I recently finished.

 

[pioneersaw123]

Would i need a ripping chain to cut slabs of wood (with the grain) or could i get away with just using a regular chain

 

[paul hill]

I have cut slabs with regular chain but it came out fairly "rustic". Part if that was because I was not using a mill and everything was done freehand.

Since then I have acquired a chainsaw mill and I'm currently waiting on a delivery of some Granberg ripping chain.

There's a section here on AS about milling. I have learned a lot of good info by reading the threads there. From what I've read, some folks use ripping chain while others use regular chain filed at about a 10 degree top plate angle. Like anything, there are a lot of personal preferences about the type of chain and angles of the chain.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Both cross cut/regular chisel chain and ripping chain are made from the same components. The difference is just the angles used on the cutters. Regular chain can just be re shaped, the cutters/teeth just need to be shaped with a flatter top plate angle, usually between 5 and 10 degrees top angle compared to the 25 to 30 top plate angle used for regular cross cut chain. I use ripping chain with a 10 degree top plate angle for my Alaskan style mill and it cuts very smooth.

 

[pioneersaw123]

I was thinking about getting a chisel chain so i could cut slabs (freehand) and crosscut firewood with it