Pioneer chainsaws

[xl130]

Just got myself a 1410A, nice looking 65cc saw (according to Mike acres)
Compression is ok, getting it cleaned up - no spark. My first guess for the cause would be a bad coil - it looks just like the one on my old homelite xl-12, Wico. My question is, am I right to change first the coil? As they are prone to failure in my experience..
Is anyone familiar with the exact coil on this model of saw?
Any help appreciated as always. Thank you!

I would personally check the wires for worn off insulation and try to clean the points and check the gap for .015” before buying a coil.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Just got myself a 1410A, nice looking 65cc saw (according to Mike acres)
Compression is ok, getting it cleaned up - no spark. My first guess for the cause would be a bad coil - it looks just like the one on my old homelite xl-12, Wico. My question is, am I right to change first the coil? As they are prone to failure in my experience..
Is anyone familiar with the exact coil on this model of saw?
Any help appreciated as always. Thank you!

We owned several 14 series saws from the 14-10 to 14-50 , they were points/condenser saws so the first thing we would try is to make sure the points were clean and gaped to .015.

 

[Dader]

anyone know of a source(oem or after market) for IEL model HC, PT# ww10 name plate?

 

[Lou]

@ howsitgoineh;

If it's a Prestolite coil (blue) they are notorious for failing if subjected to ANY moisture. I've owned a Farmsaw since late 1979 or early 1980. Mine never gave me any trouble until I foolishly stored it on the ground under a tarp at a GTG in Oregon many many years ago (normally stored on a shelf about 3 feet off a cement slab in my garage).
I brought it home read some of the past texts in this thread about baking the coil. I'm working from memory and it isn't what it once was but I think I baked mine at 200°F for 12 hours. I wanted 16 but my oven wasn't smart enough to exceed 12.
It worked; I've checked it for spark many times and most recently it was still sparking as it did until my brain fart.
HTH
Lou

Edited by Lou;
Didn't see Jerry's post when I began my novel. Jerry (pioneerguy600) is one of the most informed people that post here. I'd definitely follow his advice.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Thanks Lou. I remember the 14 series having a different coil than most other Pioneers but its been over 30 years since I have worked on or used those saws so memory may be fading some. I read where the OP says the coil looks like the one on his Homelite XL12, maybe someone has tried a coil swap to go electronic to get around using points/condenser.

 

[rocketnorton]

@Dader
this?
i got one, might trade fer somethin

 

[Howsitgoineh]

We owned several 14 series saws from the 14-10 to 14-50 , they were points/condenser saws so the first thing we would try is to make sure the points were clean and gaped to .015.

Good call to check the points. I'll get on that soon. Attached is a couple of photos of each Pioneer 1410, and the old homelite coil.
Pioneer first 2, Homelite 3rd and 4th

 

[pioneerguy600]

Good call to check the points. I'll get on that soon. Attached is a couple of photos of each Pioneer 1410, and the old homelite coil.
Pioneer first 2, Homelite 3rd and 4th

I think if you pull the flywheel off the Pioneer you will find the mounting bracket different from the Homelite but the coil part will slip off of the mount, it might just fit on the Homelite mount if the center hole is the same size.

 

[Dader]

@Dader
this?
i got one, might trade fer somethin
View attachment 924732

what do you need that I might have?

 

[rocketnorton]

p41 brake parts
p26 top cover
3200 or 3270 top cover
poulan 42/5200 fullwrap, cash diff might be applicable on this one
you near wolfville?

 

[Dader]

p41 brake parts
p26 top cover
3200 or 3270 top cover
poulan 42/5200 fullwrap, cash diff might be applicable on this one
you near wolfville?

 

[Dader]

Sorry Rocketnorton but I gave all my chainsaw collection and parts to a good buddy of mine prior to my move to Nova Scotia from Newfoundland thinking I wouldn't be playing around with saws again.Bad move which I now regret.Water under the bridge.As for Wolfville i'm approx. 45 minutes west in the Annapolis valley.

 

[rocketnorton]

could use a part from bcs there
can be ordered from here & shipped
those saws were made here, just kept it as a trinket/souvenir
had 2 hcs at one time, nother guy here got them

 

[Dader]

what's the order procedure and price delivered?

 

[rocketnorton]

im gonna need more from there
dunno if they do counter sales
if not, need account
pm yer info, ill send it [part] along

 

[Beavers]

l have seen this before were the stator assy core plate cracks . l also have extra coils if anyone needs one

 

[Beavers]

anyone know of a source(oem or after market) for IEL model HC, PT# ww10 name plate?

l have new old stock condensers for your iel Model HC if you need

 

[Lou]

@ Beavers;
Evinrudes?

 

[Beavers]

New old stock Condensers

 

[farmguywithasaw]

I picked up these beauties yesterday. They all have fire which is good. They ra is missing the air box. I was just wondering if someone could post a picture of there so I can see what’s misssing thanks jp