PNW tree pics. Let's see the day to day...

[slowp]

So they dont' actually use the danged bigguns they cut? Ugh, friggin' tree huggers chap my a55 more and more all the time... It never ceases to amaze me. Those Trolley pics are super. Is that pretty much how everything is done? Question: When the trolley pulls the log to the top of the hill, we call it skidway, what stops it from sliding back down? Does a skidder grab hold? I can't figure it out. Do you have to clear a flat area?

opcorn:

Thanks for those pics and super info slow... When I come out there, you have no idea how much I've had the itch the past few months to just pack up and move, andddddd if my daughter wasn't here in school and family, I'd be gone and there already... Anyways, I'm gonna buy you several beers my friend.

THE RULE FOR MOVING HERE:
Prior to moving here, you must get the same amount of people as yourself, plus one to move elsewhere. Elsewhere is defined as East of the Rockies and South of Redding, CA.
Apparently you haven't read about our weather and outlook on life...gloomy.

OK. Off to logging talk. Warshington State rules are that a landing has to have room for 2/3? of the log to sit on on the landing. I'm a bit rusty on that requirement and should look it up. Often, the shovel operator will grab the turn of logs and hold them while the chaser unhooks them. The chaser runs out of the way, and the logs get loaded on a truck or decked. Radio controlled chokers are coming into the world now, and the yarder engineer is able to release those chokers, making the landing a bit safer. Nobody I've worked with has those yet.

The Koller outfit, lets the logs pile up in "the chute" because they are a small family run outfit, and choose not to hire anyone else. Most outfits clean out the chute after every turn. Landings are very busy, loud, and dangerous places to be.

 

[Tree Sling'r]

Do trees from the PSW count?
The first two are from local log yards.
#1 is a three log load.
#2 The short logs are 16'6"
3,4,and 5 are from cental CA
#3 is an old road through a stump. The tree fell in a storm in the sixties.
#4 is a decent sized hole through a down log.
#5 is a pic of a pretty common sized tree in the Serria's

We drove by the yard of those first two pictures everyday when I was on the fires by Lake Arrowhead.
I think it was by Sky Forest, that yard was on the ridge over looking San Bernadino, right?

 

[ciscoguy01]

Do trees from the PSW count?
The first two are from local log yards.
#1 is a three log load.
#2 The short logs are 16'6"
3,4,and 5 are from cental CA
#3 is an old road through a stump. The tree fell in a storm in the sixties.
#4 is a decent sized hole through a down log.
#5 is a pic of a pretty common sized tree in the Serria's

:jawdrop: And that my friend is what I'm talkin' bout... Holy Shi7!!!!

 

[joesawer]

We drove by the yard of those first two pictures everyday when I was on the fires by Lake Arrowhead.
I think it was by Sky Forest, that yard was on the ridge over looking San Bernadino, right?

If you where coming from Snow Vally towards Lake Arrowhead you drove right past it, it overlooks San Bernardino. It is Dave Noble's yard just west of Running Springs.
These yards are closer to Sky Forrest.

 

[ciscoguy01]

Pft..

THE RULE FOR MOVING HERE:
Prior to moving here, you must get the same amount of people as yourself, plus one to move elsewhere. Elsewhere is defined as East of the Rockies and South of Redding, CA.
Apparently you haven't read about our weather and outlook on life...gloomy.

OK. Off to logging talk. Warshington State rules are that a landing has to have room for 1/3? of the log to sit on on the landing. I'm a bit rusty on that requirement and should look it up. Often, the shovel operator will grab the turn of logs and hold them while the chaser unhooks them. The chaser runs out of the way, and the logs get loaded on a truck or decked. Radio controlled chokers are coming into the world now, and the yarder engineer is able to release those chokers, making the landing a bit safer. Nobody I've worked with has those yet.

The Koller outfit, lets the logs pile up in "the chute" because they are a small family run outfit, and choose not to hire anyone else. Most outfits clean out the chute after every turn. Landings are very busy, loud, and dangerous places to be.

We need to get ALOT of people to move away dude... Not just there. We call the machines that load the logs Cherry Pickers here. So is the landing an actual like flattened area that they landscape or something like that??? Got any pics of an actual landing before its full???

opcorn:

 

[slowp]

Our terrain and rules don't allow for very big landings. The loggers mostly try to "hot load" which means the logs a yarded up, the shovel grabs them and they go on a truck. Most guys have one shovel so they have to keep it by the yarder--can't be running it back and forth much. The log trucks out here don't take much more room than a pickup to turn around. They carry their trailers piggyback then the shovel takes it off the truck and it is hooked up and ready to load. Here's photos of landings I took last Summer on the busy paved road. They had to keep one lane open, but this is how it is done a lot--the road becomes the landing. They often have a small deck over the side of the road using either trees or high stumps to hold the logs in place.

 

[Haywire Haywood]

We need to get ALOT of people to move away dude... Not just there. We call the machines that load the logs Cherry Pickers here. So is the landing an actual like flattened area that they landscape or something like that??? Got any pics of an actual landing before its full???

opcorn:

What I grew up calling a cherry picker in Ga is what everyone here is calling a bucket truck.

Ian

 

[tek9tim]

Here're a couple...

Ponderosas that size are fairly common on the east slopes of the cascades, but what's in the foreground isn't. (and unfortunately for me, that particular specimen is no longer found in Washington at all)

<img src="http://www.arboristsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=67581&stc=1&d=1206298920">

The cedar is 17' dbh, and isn't common in that size. The pictures don't even work without a frame of reference, but I did measure it, and it was a touch over 17'.

<img src="http://www.arboristsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=67582&stc=1&d=1206298944">

 

[wood4heat]

Ponderosas that size are fairly common on the east slopes of the cascades, but what's in the foreground isn't. (and unfortunately for me, that particular specimen is no longer found in Washington at all)

<img src="http://www.arboristsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=67581&stc=1&d=1206298920">

I love the smell of pondrosa burning. I grew up camping in central Oregon and that's one of those smells that totally takes me back.

 

[RDT]

Wow , nice pictures.

 

[tek9tim]

I love the smell of pondrosa burning. I grew up camping in central Oregon and that's one of those smells that totally takes me back.

Yeah, I love the smell of the resin burning in a pondo stump... good times. Same for me, takes me back.

 

[smokechase II]

Preference

I respectfully disagree.

I prefer the smell of juniper burning.

1) I hate juni's from an ecological standpoint.
2) Respect Ponderosa from an ecological standpoint.
3) Get hayfever.


It's that time of year.

Here is a juniperus occidentalis burning just two weeks ago near Bend, (By Widgi Creek Golf Course).
The Pondo (55-60 footer) in the background is fine.

 

[tek9tim]

I respectfully disagree.

I prefer the smell of juniper burning.

1) I hate juni's from an ecological standpoint.
2) Respect Ponderosa from an ecological standpoint.
3) Get hayfever.


It's that time of year.

Here is a juniperus occidentalis burning just two weeks ago near Bend, (By Widgi Creek Golf Course).
The Pondo (55-60 footer) in the background is fine.

Good enough reasoning for me. I have to say I enjoy burning juniper much more. Rips real nice.

 

[smokechase II]

Enough of me being onery

Tim:

I don't know this is true. But I haven't got any argument otherwise from my buds.

I think burning juniper releases as much energy as any plant, with equivalent surface area of leaves, when burned green. I think it is just as volatile, if not more then the worst chamis (sp) of So Cal.

They are a sight.

******************

With the Juniper incursion marching on I think we are starting to get some closed in juni forests. Where the canopies are close enough or will be soon to support continuous crown fires with minimal wind.

Those BLM fires aren't going to be the bargain they once were.

 

[raycarr]

I, ah, lifted these from my uncle's archives, they show what typical OG Redwood logs look like and the machines that move them along.






If he catches me, I'm toast.
Ray

 

[slowp]

Here's my favorite landing picture. The chaser was young and could run. They were downhill yarding in a thinning. They have to hook a haulback line on the carriage in addition to the mainline and skyline. The haulback gets the carriage back up the hill and slows it when going downhill. Or we hope it slows it.

Then there's this one I took of a raising an intermediate support. The skyline goes on it. If you were watching episode 3 of Axemen, this support keeps the skyline and carriage from dragging when the ground slope changes.
The crew on the show couldn't rig one up because they had no trees to rig to.

 

[sILlogger]

you west coaster's got some good pics....here are some pics of some of the mid-western hardwood that we have around here

 

[slowp]

So, SI Logger, where is the line on the map where the trucks start hauling with short, sideways logs? I thought that was a Midwest thing but looks like you do them the right way. I hated the humongus areas it took to turn the flatbed trucks around in Wisconsin and told them that if they got REAL log trucks like "out west" they could have smaller landings. But I failed to get them to change. Everybody just loves it when somebody from another area of the country comes and tries to change things.:biggrinbounce2: I hope they knew I was joking. I think so.

 

[sILlogger]

So, SI Logger, where is the line on the map where the trucks start hauling with short, sideways logs? I thought that was a Midwest thing but looks like you do them the right way. I hated the humongus areas it took to turn the flatbed trucks around in Wisconsin and told them that if they got REAL log trucks like "out west" they could have smaller landings. But I failed to get them to change. Everybody just loves it when somebody from another area of the country comes and tries to change things.:biggrinbounce2: I hope they knew I was joking. I think so.

i'm not sure where they start hauling the short logs sideways....but it isn't around here.--and i think that is weird. that would only be useful with 8ft logs...and around here we don't cut many 8 footers....alot of what we do is the longer the better(to an extent) we cut alot of 16's, 18's 20's & 24's....there is a market for 30-40's..but there aren't many mills that can saw them...

i did cut some 40' long oak logs one time...and they were cutting 12"x12" cants out of them...so they had to be around 14-15" on the little end.....those were some fun trees to cut

we drop the trees and top them..skid them out and then buck them up at the landing...we don't haul many logs tree length because that would just mean more handling later...and alot of time different people buy different portions of the tree(determined by grade) therefor we have to separate them accordingly

alot of people around here haul logs with a 10 wheeler with a pup trailer behind the truck. and some crews have a full lengths semi most of the time we load trucks with a front end loader. but some crews have knuckleboom trucks

 

[slowp]

Tree of the Day

Here's a PNW tree. Amazingly, I could not find a beer can nearby for scale so pulled out a girl beer can to use. This is a Doug-fir. I'm guessing 5 to 5 and a half feet DBH and quite tall. Thought the first 32 might make a peeler but then there was a little scar on one side which I think knocks it down a grade?
That was a long long time ago when we got to cruise this size of timber and I've forgotten the grades.

Here's the bark. One way to tell a Doug without seeing the needles is to chop into the bark and see if it has freckles and looks corky. I didn't do that cuz I know by looking.

Here's the obligatory look up at the top. Didn't see any conks but I didn't have my glasses on either.