Old-Feller
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In the end, You will still be paying the gas tax, The EV tax that they come up with, The toll charges etc. And you will still be driving on potholes and rusted out bridges.
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You say everyone pays then exactly how?
You say you would build 100 nuke plants. I do not disagree but hey are very close to shutting the nuclear plants down here.
The government mandating EV's is just like all their unfunded mandates NO FORETHOUGHT
Well I do not know about tolls as I been in Illinois 50 years and paid less than the cost of cheeseburger in tolls
Maybe not cheaper batteries exactly, but yes, as tech progresses, cost of storage per kwh will go down.
ValleyForge
Liberty Farms
Not with over 400%YoY increases in raw materials….
You asked what I thought should happen, not what would actually happen.
Note that I don't support EV mandates either. I support people having the choice to drive EV's if they want, or gas or diesel vehicles if they want. My next daily driver commuter will likely be an EV, and that was the plan even when gas was $2/gal.
Old-Feller
Pretty Fart Smeller
Yes California is decomissioning Nuclear plants as we speak, And not just taking them off-line, But demolishing them so they can never be used again, Just as the drought is threatening hydro power. As I said earlier, The sun goes down at night and the wind does not blow 24-7. As I also said, blackouts are coming, If you ever lived in Ca, You would know, They are a common thing there already, Because the grid is tied together, When hoover runs dry, It will put a huge strain on the grid.
So how do you propose to pay your fair share?
Another random thought? How are lithium batteries disposed of in a "green" manner. This not a point of argument just a question
Old-Feller
Pretty Fart Smeller
Bill it's quite simple, They already have a meter at the charging stations that are on Gas station properties, If they choose to do so, They will install meters on your home charging station and charge you a per kwh tax. But like I said, that would be too expensive so the per mile driven tax is what they are going to do, For all types of passenger vehicle regardless of propulsion system.
This one is two part.
1.) I also have a big block gasser. I'm paying more than my fair share via 9mpg on that monster already.
2.) I don't plan to pay "my fair share" on an EV. That's part of the cost savings, and perfectly legal. Before you cry about it, do you pay more than you legally need to on your taxes, or do you take advantage of every tax loophole and deduction you have available?
They're recycled. The raw materials are too valuable to just throw away.
Do you really believe that? How do they know where you are charging it? You think anyone with a 6th grade education cannot get around that? Electricity is a science and easily understood. I have an additional service drop to some buildings in my lower feedlot. The power company upped my monthly charge to a $25 service fee and I told them to just come pull the meter. They pulled the meter. Now if I wanted to I could simply just used a pair of electrical gloves, insulated pliers and a piece of 2 gauge wire and short across it and "steal" power with zero cost.
At least you were honest about that
Old-Feller
Pretty Fart Smeller
Most people would comply, There are already people stealing power that don't have EV's, you hear of them getting caught from time to time. People will try a way to get around the mileage tax too.
No they won't
Old-Feller
Pretty Fart Smeller
Also, most homes have a smart meter and knows what is using power. I doubt if you could get away with it.
I'm building a completely off grid solar power system. It'd provide about 30 miles/day range in an EV. That could be un tracked from the charging side.
That's not how it'll be done, though. With built in nav systems in modern cars, the car itself will track how far you're driving on public roads, and report this info to the appropriate government agency directly. It'll be written into law that new EV's must have this feature before they can be sold. Even better, if you don't pay your road use tax, your car won't work anymore.
Even with my touting of EV's, I'll still be keeping an internal combustion powered "stupid" vehicle for a very long time to come.
Old-Feller
Pretty Fart Smeller
I think you have hit the nail on the head.
We are a long, long, long way off from cheap in home energy storage. Last year we went grid tie solar. One of the things veing pushed is the battery bank. Thought ok I like that idea. For an 8 hr back up I would have needed 3 fully loaded generac power cell battery sets. That cost was nearly $30k just for the batteries, and the best part is they expect you will need to replace them in 10 years or so. That's not cheap. Even the inverter came with a 25 year warranty and the panels are guaranteed to be 97% efficient at year 20. Till they come out with a better cheaper, way more compact system the thought of going off grid is a pipe dream.
I will say this much, no electric bill is nice and the system cost per month is half what my old electric bill was.
The smart meter uses the same old meter base, it wouldn't be hard to wire up a work around that could go unnoticed for a long time to bypass the meter.
