Interesting, I've never used ultra myself, just because I've over half a bottle of super and a little more of xp left, but in intrigued why you don't like ultra. Stihl products normally work
Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)
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501Maico
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Thanks for the post on Esso.
I recently found a mention on Google saying that a certain Esso I can't remember and Shell 91 were E-free. I searched these further and came up with a blank. Maybe not available in the U.S.?
I saw Neil mentioned Esso. I remember it here back in the 60's. The name was changed to Exxon in 1973.Thanks for the post on Esso.
Echo red armor for the win! 
32:1 for my vintage saws 50:1 in my modern saws.
32:1 for my vintage saws 50:1 in my modern saws.
When you can't quite figure out where the lean is on that tree your about to cut. 
WoodAbuser
aka WoodchuckAbuser
Good morning one and all. I lean to the right, so sometimes i just need to walk part way around a tree to have it agree.When you can't quite figure out where the lean is on that tree your about to cut.
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Wow and still standing, that tree must be straight as an arrow.When you can't quite figure out where the lean is on that tree your about to cut.
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Is that a triple soft dutchman?
501Maico
ArboristSite Operative
Ordered a new Milwaukee hand truck from HD. I was going to buy an aluminum Magliner with pneumatic wheels this past winter but the model I wanted was not in stock.
The story goes, a while back I cleaned out my shed for more room and had some large plastic lawn/garden trash cans that I hadn't used in years. Decided to keep them so I moved them outdoors. I saw them last firewood season when we had some snow forecasted and thought it would be good idea to fill them up with firewood and store them at my basement door where my stove is. It worked good but more wood handling, filling the cans with a wheel barrow and then filling the wheel barrow to take the wood inside as needed. Thinking that with a hand truck I could take the cans to the woodpile to be filled and also move the cans inside the basement, and not just with bad weather but all of the time. Another plus, the wheelbarrow cant get close to the stove but the hand truck can.
Present time, I now have a bunch of wood to process and most of the rounds are too heavy for me to lift into a wheelbarrow. I should look for a bigger hand truck to solve both problems. The Milwaukee is rated for twice the weight at 1000 pounds and has larger wider pneumatic wheels. The shelf at the bottom is 12" deep which will make it much easier to tip back the cans full of firewood vs. the Magliner.
As the pics show, the first load was 2 large rounds but I'm a featherweight and had trouble tipping the truck back. Single or smaller rounds stacked if I can lift them for now on. The truck did good though, easily rolling across soggy ground after a rain without making any depressions.
The story goes, a while back I cleaned out my shed for more room and had some large plastic lawn/garden trash cans that I hadn't used in years. Decided to keep them so I moved them outdoors. I saw them last firewood season when we had some snow forecasted and thought it would be good idea to fill them up with firewood and store them at my basement door where my stove is. It worked good but more wood handling, filling the cans with a wheel barrow and then filling the wheel barrow to take the wood inside as needed. Thinking that with a hand truck I could take the cans to the woodpile to be filled and also move the cans inside the basement, and not just with bad weather but all of the time. Another plus, the wheelbarrow cant get close to the stove but the hand truck can.
Present time, I now have a bunch of wood to process and most of the rounds are too heavy for me to lift into a wheelbarrow. I should look for a bigger hand truck to solve both problems. The Milwaukee is rated for twice the weight at 1000 pounds and has larger wider pneumatic wheels. The shelf at the bottom is 12" deep which will make it much easier to tip back the cans full of firewood vs. the Magliner.
As the pics show, the first load was 2 large rounds but I'm a featherweight and had trouble tipping the truck back. Single or smaller rounds stacked if I can lift them for now on. The truck did good though, easily rolling across soggy ground after a rain without making any depressions.
I personally don't like the smell of Ultra. I'm sure many pieces of equipment live long happy lives with it. There are guys on here who claim Ultra causes hard carbon buildup. My 026 had a plugged spark arrestor and the piston top and combustion chamber had a thick carbon buildup. Based on that I could agree. It was tuned way too rich so I'm more inclined to believe it was a tuning issue. The Motul is a bike oil so it has more detergents to keep exhaust valves free. Sorry for the long post.
501Maico
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Remember the Esso watchdog service vans with the German Shepherd on top? When I was a little tot I would sit at the window waiting for his arrival to fix or clean our oil burner. My vocabulary was like a broken record. What's that for? What does this do? Why are you doing that? I'm surprised he didn't stick a oily rag in my mouth but the regular guy was cool and taught me a lot.
One time a different guy came and he was a grumpy ahole who kept yelling and pushing me away. It was a cleaning and he was doing shoddy work missing a bunch of stuff that the regular guy always cleaned. Wasn't happy at all when I pointing out all of the things he was missing. Never saw him again.
I can confirm carbon build up on bone stock equipment that the dealer worked on exclusively. This includes saws, blowers, trimmers and a hedger. More clogging of the screens then anything. I never did understand why that was and the township kept buying the ultra. I know they say to run it in everything, but truth be told it was designed specifically for the 4-mix engines. Personally it gives me a headache. But that doesn't mean much.
Sawyer Rob
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I offered to team up with a friend to get some dead/problem tree's out of my woods for firewood, for both of us. SO, yesterday we worked on getting the "second half" of an oak we started on some time ago.
He prefers to work with his own Husky saw, and that's fine with me, as it's bigger than my saw, for these bigger logs,
The tree was back in the woods about 160', so we sure was glad to have a skidding winch on my tractor,
The main trunk was pretty good sized,
and we ended up with a decent pile of oak,
IF you add that to what we got out of the first half of the tree,
It was a LOT of good firewood to get out!
SR
He prefers to work with his own Husky saw, and that's fine with me, as it's bigger than my saw, for these bigger logs,
The tree was back in the woods about 160', so we sure was glad to have a skidding winch on my tractor,
The main trunk was pretty good sized,
and we ended up with a decent pile of oak,
IF you add that to what we got out of the first half of the tree,
It was a LOT of good firewood to get out!
SR
Made a little more progress on the wood pile
Has been cool and rainy almost every weekend, fire going again today 
Miss the sunshine but thankful it’s not hot and dry. Supposed to be 80* next weekend. Oh and I use red armor at 40:1 with e free 87, lol.
Has been cool and rainy almost every weekend, fire going again today Miss the sunshine but thankful it’s not hot and dry. Supposed to be 80* next weekend. Oh and I use red armor at 40:1 with e free 87, lol.
Neil, as you know I'm a Stihl guy, but that said I'm no fan of Ultra.
It does not provide the viscosity level of the premium oils and seems to build up carbon if you mix it richer, so it is a "no-go" for me.
Working on rebuilding/fixing saws and seeing the difference in what the pistons, cylinders, etc. look like after running different oils at different ratios, etc. helps to form your opinions pretty fast.
Morning guys.
Yesterday morning I went out and cut about a tank worth of brush with the 346 at the job my boys were working at. (They do not run saws-yet.) In total they hauled 15 heaping pick up loads of brush out of this fellows yard in 20 hours of work. Would you believe I had to steal gas from other saws in order to fill up these two lol? I had forgotten the fresh 2 gallons of fuel in town lol.
Still haven’t ran the 439 that I’ve owned for a year and a half. Maybe next time.
Yesterday morning I went out and cut about a tank worth of brush with the 346 at the job my boys were working at. (They do not run saws-yet.) In total they hauled 15 heaping pick up loads of brush out of this fellows yard in 20 hours of work. Would you believe I had to steal gas from other saws in order to fill up these two lol? I had forgotten the fresh 2 gallons of fuel in town lol.
Still haven’t ran the 439 that I’ve owned for a year and a half. Maybe next time.
I always thought Ultra was the stuff developed to run in 4-mix products to combat carbon buildup on the valves? Either way, I quit using it in my Kombi and it seems to be just fine with whatever I dump in it mixed at 50-1.
I think I’ve shared the story a while back but my (now ex) nephew works for an oil testing lab where they abuse dozens of different pieces of equipment endlessly. He had nothing but great things to say about the Husqvarna XP oil (grey bottle). He did not name which premium aftermarket oils he tested but he said the XP stuff outperformed all of the ones they tested. FWIW they use 372’s as text subjects.
I was at an auction a few years ago, and they had a full, 50 count, box of Esso pencils. I think they had the old, "Put a Tiger in Your Tank" logo. I'll have to go check. if they were Exxon I wouldn't have bought them.Remember the Esso watchdog service vans with the German Shepherd on top? When I was a little tot I would sit at the window waiting for his arrival to fix or clean our oil burner. My vocabulary was like a broken record. What's that for? What does this do? Why are you doing that? I'm surprised he didn't stick a oily rag in my mouth but the regular guy was cool and taught me a lot.
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I think I started running Stihl Ultra in all of my saws when I bought my new 660 for milling. As we were getting the new saw put together I said I need some mix. He said grab some. So I picked up a 6 pack of 5 gallon bottles. He said do you use that much fuel? I said at least 5 gallons a month, sometimes 5 gallons a week. He said OK and threw it in the deal. I like that dealership. They won't let you take a saw out the door till it's set up and they start and run it. After about ten years my little MS 170 started losing power. I was at another Stihl dealer, where I bought a bunch of old saws, and told him I had never put a plug in it. So, he handed me a plug and asked if I had checked the screen for being carboned up. Duh, no I hadn't. Got home and pulled the screen out and it looked new. Then I looked at the ports in the muffler cover and they were about 99% blocked. Cleaned them out and it ran like new. But, that problem is with all oils. When Covid hit, I had a job scheduled and filled the tank on the 660. Got on the job and the people cancelled. I didn't need the 660 till Thanksgiving. Picked it up and remembered I had filled it 6 months before. 4-5 pulls and it fired right up. I let my old Homelite Super 1050 sit on the shelf for a year with a full tank. Same thing, 4-5 pulls and no problem. I don't mind the smell, performance seems fine, so I keep using it.
When you can't quite figure out where the lean is on that tree your about to cut.
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The funny thing to me is I cut up a tree like that last week...with bigger face cuts and more space between them. The idea was that I was going to smash that hazard tree with another one and wasn't concerned with the direction only that it collapsed without getting hung up in other trees. It worked like a charm as all the cuts broke and the tree collapsed enough that when it fell it didn't get hung up in another tree. It was unorthodox but it seemed like a good idea at the time and it worked!
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