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my neighbor in WV has attended our Howard County MD Sheep and Wool Festival 29 years straight. Before Covid hit I took my wife to meet the out of state neighbors. “Hope“ said that would be her last Festival. The Coyotes were ripping the new borns out of the mothers as the were giving birth. They have two big guard dogs that look like Perinese, but are something else. They used to be able to keep the Yotes away. It got so bad the dogs couldn’t watch the whole heard. That fall local hunters shot 7 yotes and they disappeared. You can still hear them singing at night, but they have been staying away from Hope’s sheep. Wonder what they are doing to the deer heard?
Coyotes, especially groups of them can be really tough on deer. The one thing they have over wolves is lack of fear of humans so they’ll come into areas that wolves will not.

The area around my house always had a lot of deer until coyotes moved in. Now we have wolves and coyotes and not many deer left.

I don’t really know that coyotes form official packs but I’ve seen pairs of them before.
 
Coyotes can be loners, pairs or packs. I've seen the evidence of them taking down a full-size deer, and I only had a bow ... when I saw all the tracks, chills went down my spine, as I knew I was vulnerable.

There was blood, fur and bones for about 200 yds.
One time after dark I was walking through a gully on the way home from the deer stand and there were multiple animals (wolves) walking along with me up at the top of one of the ridges. I had my BAR with four rounds but was still unnerving because they could’ve overtaken me of conditions were right. I walked at a steady but brisk pace and they stopped after a little while.
 
We have a company in Delaware that sells kiln-dried hardwood that I've wanted to try; however, won't be as the cost would be higher than even my heating oil for which I paid ~$1126 for ~188 gals. The company is primarily a tree service/landscaping company.

$325 = 1/4 cord
$575 = 1/2 cord
$935 = Full cord

Delivery is free within 20 miles.

Stacking costs an additional:

$90 = 1/4 cord
$165 = 1/2 cord
$310 = Full cord

I know firewood isn't cheap but....wowwow
my cousin just got 600 gallons of heating oil, filled his house and the shop tanks. $4600.00 and some change. That 600 gal will last him about a year and a half. I normally burn between 8 and 10 cord a year to heat my house. At $900.00 a cord id be better off buying a oil furnace. Typically I don't/won't pay for wood. But my logging friend charges $700.00 for a straight truck of hardwood logs. (Last time I asked him.) They are good logs, but nothing he can sell to the mill.

It might be for some but not for me. I does not occur to me just like this spring when I had to "evict" a family of Coons from my hay loft. I gave ole momma coon plenty of notice and warning to get her brood out, She did not listen and my dog got one. She got out but left one baby behind. I put him a MS200T box in the barn loft in the hopes she would come back and she did. Now had that been in season I would have dispatch her but let the small ones go til next year.
I watch the same 2-3 deer every few days in one of my bean fields when I am out with the Mule giving my doggie a ride. It is not my land, it is rented land. There is a nice homemade tower stand right in the corner near where they come out to eat. I do not know who hunts it. This past winter I cleaned up around it and got the brush and briars out of the way so whoever uses it can access it better. I need to call the owner and have him tell whoever hunts it that I have a good UTV path around the field edge to the stand and he should probably get out there near opening day of bow season as shortly thereafter the beans will be out and the deer will move on.
This was several years ago now and i no longer help on this farm, but we had a really bad couple years with deer destroying a bean field that abbutted state game lands. Took 2 years with proof on trail cams that we had a herd af about 20 that would come in every morning and evening. After the second year we were given tags to take them out. No issues after that with crop damages. No meat went to waste, what we couldn't use ourselves was given away or donated.
I kind of classify animals into three separate groups:
-Vermin: They should be shot on sight when legally allowed. Coyotes, porcupines, and beavers.
-Questionable neighbors: Bears, coons, foxes, groundhogs, and such. If they leave me alone, I leave them alone. We did have a bear a couple years ago that was terrorizing the neighborhood but he must’ve heard my phone conversation with the game warden because he never came back after I called them for permission to dispatch.
-Friendly neighbors: Moose, deer, rabbits and so on.

I have a pact with all animals above the vermin level… If they are respectful of me and my property I will be respectful of their lives. A lot of people will shoot coons, groundhogs, ETC on sight but I do not unless they cause problems. For instance I will shoot groundhogs at my cabin because they’ve been very destructive there. If I saw one at the house I wouldn’t bother it because they’ve never bothered me here in over 40 years.
I can pretty much agree with this list. Save ground hogs would go on the vermin list and fox would be close to the vermin list. Don't have beavers around here so no worries there.

With the fox in the chicken coop thing, there were too many to quote. We always had fox around my area. Typically the dogs keep them at bay. But once they figure out how to get in the coop it's game over if you don't kill them. The coons are just as bad if not worse. This new coop I've been putting up, I'll be taking some extra precautions in their run and with the coop itself to try and keep the critters out.
 
Back when I was younger I'd go hike down the canyon behind the house I was renting and into some timber company land to go shooting after work...probably about a 4 mile round trip. I'd then hike through dense woods once I lost daylight...nothing crazy happened, but it was always a bit unnerving hiking a singletrack trail in the woods at night...especially since this area is a hotbed of mountain lion activity. I was armed, but I knew that a kitty could probably get me before I even knew what happened.

I never saw them while out hiking, but I've seen quite a few mountain lions on the road. I was usually in a car or on my motorcycle, so no concern...but I did see one when I was out on my bicycle. I didn't even see him until I was already passing him on the road, he was about 50' off the road. He was facing away from me and just nonchalantly turned his head to look at me as I rode past, but didn't leave the spot he was standing at.

I did have a friend that had a pretty crazy story about getting stocked by a kitty while out trail running. It followed him for awhile, he said the encounter was very similar to that video that came out a couple years ago of the hiker being stocked.
This one:
 
Moose used to be very plentiful and back in the day residents were eligible to hunt them every 12 years… Once the wolves became protected and became overabundant the moose population crashed. This was compounded by the moose brain worm as well but the big killer is the wolves, they wipe out 40% of moose calves in the first 12 months.

When I was a young man I was eligible hunt Moose but at that point it had changed from once in 12 years to once in a lifetime hunt. I decided that I would wait for my three young boys to be old enough to hunt so they could join me in our once in a lifetime haunt. Since then, the whole season has been closed indefinitely and by the looks of it will never be open. Such is life I guess.

Pisses me off too because there were several good moose hunting areas within an hour or so of my home.
It was July 1992 when I was up there. We camped in Grand Marais right on the lake the first night then left to go get our canoes, We spent the next 6 days in the boundary waters lake area. It was a college trip that I was "forced" to take to earn 2 credits in PE activity. Let me tell you a week long camping trip in the woods is not something anyone should do with strangers. The first night in the woods we made camp and unpacked the sealed steaks we had packed. A young girl in the group said well I am a vegetarian. The "guide" who was my Biology instructor said "well you will need to adapt or go hungry"

Of course with canoes you really need two people for both ease of paddling and portages. I knew right from the start to team up with our instructor Merle. We were canoeing along the edge of a lake when he said look up there. Up in the trees was a cow moose and three young moose. Now of course we do not know if there was another cow in the area but we sure did not see one. Merle said in 35 years he had spent up there during the summer he had never seen a cow with three young. I know exactly nothing about moose but in deer we see twins alot but I have never known of triplets that survive but have no way of knowing. Another night I was upset with the group as all they wanted to do was sit around camp. I grabbed my fishing pole and a canoe and set out to get away from them. I was paddling along the edge and was startled by a big commotion in the water ahead of me. It was a big cow moose in the lake. She was nearly submerged and I startled her.

Years later I looked into moose hunting up there and of course as you explained it is non-existent. When I looked up the laws they were still allowing hunting but it was as you said a "once in a lifetime" tag. You get one chance and that is it. No non-resident tags were issued so I was out no matter what. Over the years I have talked to folks about the "once in a lifetime" system you folks had and I get told I am full of crap and taht there is no way that is possible. I am glad you have confirmed that is the way it indeed worked in the past.

You say wolves are protected. Do they not allow any harvesting of them? I know Wisconsin had a very successful hunt/trap back in 2020. They blew post the quota/goal is a short amount of time. Animal rights folks were upset but too dumb to know the reason the goal was achieved so quickly is because there are so many
 
Coyotes, especially groups of them can be really tough on deer. The one thing they have over wolves is lack of fear of humans so they’ll come into areas that wolves will not.

The area around my house always had a lot of deer until coyotes moved in. Now we have wolves and coyotes and not many deer left.

I don’t really know that coyotes form official packs but I’ve seen pairs of them before.
Here in my part of WV the dang ravens have become a huge headache for sheep farmers and even cattle farmers.Ravens will easily kill a lamb,and will pluck the eyes from a newborn calf if momma aint around. I used to have 4 ravens around my house,now I see about 50 at any given time. Smart birds for sure,and we can't legally shoot them like we can crows.
 
Bill (and others):

The thing with fox taking your chickens is when they are free range. Obviously better for your yard and the chickens to be free range rather than cooped up in a pen all the time which of course will attract both airborne and land based predators. Aggressive roosters and/or guardian dogs will help.

When I lived on a hobby farm for a few years I had chickens. Only lost one chicken to a hawk but lost a few roosters to eagles and foxes.

Being close to a lake I’m going to have mink in addition to foxes, coons, skunks, and hawks if I get chickens and/or ducks. I thought about building a pen outside of the building I would use for a hen house and I would have to use hardware cloth versus chicken wire to guarantee that a mink couldn’t sneak in.
The biggest killer of chickens here by far is black knats. They will kill up to 100% of the meat birds on a bad year. The only animal problems we ever had with chickens were mink and skunk. The ducks I think got killed by coons. The ducks were in a chain-link run and left out at night. It looked to me like they nested right along the edge and a coon reached through and grabbed their necks. He just basically stripped their heads off.

One summer my wife went down to the hen house and there was one or two laying dead on the floor with their heads ate off. There was no sign of how something got in. No holes big enough for a coon or coyote. This happened the next night to. Well I then discovered a small hole going under the outside edge and a small hole in the wood floor. It was not big enough for any animal I could think of. Well I could have just patched it but I was pissed and I wanted to know what it was. I took a couple #1 long spring traps and a 110 conibear and placed them around the hole coming up through the floor. Now course this it right in the middle of the chickens so I took a empty mineral tub (twice the size of a wash tub) and put it over the traps then a cinder block to keep the chickens from moving it. About 11pm that night I went down and I could hear something thrashing around under the tub. I popped over the tub and I had caught a big ole mink. Needless to say he was not allowed to kill and more chickens. I had never suspected a mink. It was early summer and our son was playing baseball with our two local (husband/wife)game wardens son. Laura does alot of education programs with folks and my wife wanted to know if she wanted the mink. So the next night at the game I said "hypothetically if a mink was to meet an untimely death in our chicken house would you want it". She said "hypothetically I would throw it in the woods". She is a great game warden
 
Here in my part of WV the dang ravens have become a huge headache for sheep farmers and even cattle farmers.Ravens will easily kill a lamb,and will pluck the eyes from a newborn calf if momma aint around. I used to have 4 ravens around my house,now I see about 50 at any given time. Smart birds for sure,and we can't legally shoot them like we can crows.
I don't know, but if I was a sheep or cattle farmer and the ravens posed a problem to my livestock, I would take "some kind" of action. I'd have to do some research first, and see why the ravens were protected. But if I was losing animals, at least I don't think I'd have to worry about coming across a "collared" raven. I don't know if that comment will make sense to everyone, but I won't say too much more about it other than if I was a livestock farmer, I I wouldn't lose too much of my livelihood to freaking flying rats regardless of what the government tried to tell me.
 
Back when I was younger I'd go hike down the canyon behind the house I was renting and into some timber company land to go shooting after work...probably about a 4 mile round trip. I'd then hike through dense woods once I lost daylight...nothing crazy happened, but it was always a bit unnerving hiking a singletrack trail in the woods at night...especially since this area is a hotbed of mountain lion activity. I was armed, but I knew that a kitty could probably get me before I even knew what happened.

I never saw them while out hiking, but I've seen quite a few mountain lions on the road. I was usually in a car or on my motorcycle, so no concern...but I did see one when I was out on my bicycle. I didn't even see him until I was already passing him on the road, he was about 50' off the road. He was facing away from me and just nonchalantly turned his head to look at me as I rode past, but didn't leave the spot he was standing at.

I did have a friend that had a pretty crazy story about getting stocked by a kitty while out trail running. It followed him for awhile, he said the encounter was very similar to that video that came out a couple years ago of the hiker being stocked.
This one:
The cougars are what worry me. We have had reports of them here for 25 years or more. The owner of a sawmill on the Iowa side used to offer a bounty on them. I cannot tell you if he was offering the bounty because he believed they existed and wanted proof or if it was because he believed they did not exist and wanted to dispel rumors. I do not know if it was claimed.

In the fall of 2004 there was one killed in the next county south of me. I saw pictures of it that an officer took. The paws are huge. This past winter I found some tracks that sure looked like it but I never saw an animal. We have had sightings with 2 miles of me and our conservation officer shot one but it was aways away. They are here but elusive right now.
 
I don't know, but if I was a sheep or cattle farmer and the ravens posed a problem to my livestock, I would take "some kind" of action. I'd have to do some research first, and see why the ravens were protected. But if I was losing animals, at least I don't think I'd have to worry about coming across a "collared" raven. I don't know if that comment will make sense to everyone, but I won't say too much more about it other than if I was a livestock farmer, I I wouldn't lose too much of my livelihood to freaking flying rats regardless of what the government tried to tell me.
I do own a few cattle , and yes your post makes perfect sense, and I know exactly what you mean, and now it is my turn to not say much more.
 
Here in my part of WV the dang ravens have become a huge headache for sheep farmers and even cattle farmers.Ravens will easily kill a lamb,and will pluck the eyes from a newborn calf if momma aint around. I used to have 4 ravens around my house,now I see about 50 at any given time. Smart birds for sure,and we can't legally shoot them like we can crows.
Are they ravens or are they black vultures? I would talk you your sate Farm Burea office as they have pushed for legally killing black vultures and are getting sates to approve it.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-vultures-eating-cows-alive-214330589.html
 
I don't know, but if I was a sheep or cattle farmer and the ravens posed a problem to my livestock, I would take "some kind" of action. I'd have to do some research first, and see why the ravens were protected. But if I was losing animals, at least I don't think I'd have to worry about coming across a "collared" raven. I don't know if that comment will make sense to everyone, but I won't say too much more about it other than if I was a livestock farmer, I I wouldn't lose too much of my livelihood to freaking flying rats regardless of what the government tried to tell me.
If you shoot a collared one you toss it in the ravine with the rest. That would not worry me one bit
 
If you shoot a collared one you toss it in the ravine with the rest. That would not worry me one bit
Ya, I'm not a "go off half-cocked" kind of guy. I would first see why they are protected, but I also don't see how you're not able to make the problem go away if they're hurting your livelihood. Normally you're allowed to remedy the problem if a predator is hurting/killing your livestock.
 
These are ravens,but yes the black vulture is here too. We call them "black headed buzzards". They do the same thing as the ravens.
Are they ravens or are they black vultures? I would talk you your sate Farm Burea office as they have pushed for legally killing black vultures and are getting sates to approve it.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-vultures-eating-cows-alive-214330589.html
Did you notice the comment made by the first guy?Apparently a buzzard is worth more than a calf .
 
Ya, I'm not a "go off half-cocked" kind of guy. I would first see why they are protected, but I also don't see how you're not able to make the problem go away if they're hurting your livelihood. Normally you're allowed to remedy the problem if a predator is hurting/killing your livestock.
It is done on a daily basis all over the area and nothing is said. The "protected status" is valid in some cases but is a political ploy in others. In Illinois rattlesankes are protected. Do you think anyone has ever been prosecuted for killing one? I doubt it.
 
Not me of course,but I do know a few people who have shot some very large crows.
That is fine. I have never had a problem admitting to doing things. As I have said in other posts I have a good relationship with our game warden and she knows how farming is. Her husband ...not so much.
 
Did you notice the comment made by the first guy?Apparently a buzzard is worth more than a calf .
I see that. I would go a bit further and say he values wildlife above human life. He talks about there being too many people. Well do something! Stop talking and get a vasectomy. Stop stupidity one snip at a time.
 
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