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windthrown
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Wow. It is all still emerald green here, even mid-state where it usually turns brown by now. We had snow on the ground what, 3 weeks ago? One week of a mini-heat wave last week, and that was it. Back to rain here again. We are not even at semi-hoot owl yet (no logging 1pm to 8pm). I am taking advantage of the rain and cool weather to finish burning.
Adkpk
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Ahh, hoot owl? Something is telling me I'm gonna be sorry I asked. :hmm3grin2orange:
Indeed!
I get irritated with the 'fake competitive' numbers of truckloads of logs that they haul off the mountains at the end of the show. Its not like there is a total bag limit that ends the logging season, like in fishing or crabbing. "Oh look, the larger logging company slicked off and hauled more logs!" Imagine that!
Good point, more beer for windthrown.
Adkpk
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Sorry, custom didn't see that post. Wednesday night at 10 pm and Thurs. at 2am here.
Hootowl
Hootowl is the name for the cutback in hours when fire danger gets up there. Let me see, I should have this memorized. Falling is allowed to work from 8PM? until 1PM, there are similar hours/restrictions for cable yarding. It is basically a partial shutdown. I think I better find my little cheater card. We're still getting very blustery, wet weather here.
Hootowl is the name for the cutback in hours when fire danger gets up there. Let me see, I should have this memorized. Falling is allowed to work from 8PM? until 1PM, there are similar hours/restrictions for cable yarding. It is basically a partial shutdown. I think I better find my little cheater card. We're still getting very blustery, wet weather here.
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Rained cats and dogs and elk and beavers and deer and moose........... Wow May 21st pouring rain and 50 degrees.
Here they are called Red Flag Days. Not much internal combustion can take place then.
I though red flag days shut down logging totally, Hoot owl is only part of day shut down.
Harry K
windthrown
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In OR, the fire districts and commercial logging and recreation restrictions are managed by the ODF (Orygun Dept. of Foestry). The ODF uses the Industrial Fire Precaution Levels (IFPL) for fire control. There are other requirements for times for fire watch, water and fire fighting equipment that must be on site when logging.
The IFPL are as follows.
I. Closed Season
Fire season requirements are in effect. In addition to other fire prevention measures, a Fire Watch is required at this and all higher levels unless otherwise waived.
II. Partial Hootowl
The following may operate only between the hours of 8 P.M. and 1 P.M.
.power saws except at loading sites
.cable yarding
.blasting
.welding or cutting of metal
III. Partial Shutdown
The following are prohibited except as indicated:
.cable yarding - except that gravity operated logging systems employing non-motorized carriages may operate between 8 P.M. and 1 P.M. when all blocks and moving lines are suspended 10 feet above the ground except the line between the carriage and the chokers
.power saws - except power saws may be used at loading sites and on tractor/skidder operations between the hours of 8 P.M. and 1 P.M.
In addition, the following are permitted to operate between the hours of 8 P.M. and 1 P.M.:
.tractor/skidder, feller-buncher, forwarder, or shovel logging operations where tractors, skidders or other equipment with a blade capable of constructing fireline are immediately available to quickly reach and effectively attack a fire start
.mechanized loading or hauling of any product or material
.blasting
.welding or cutting of metal
.any other spark emitting operation not specifically mentioned
IV. General Shutdown
All operations are prohibited.
NOTE: Where hauling involves transit through more than one shutdown/regulated use area, the precaution level at the woods loading site shall govern the level of haul restriction, unless otherwise prohibited by other than the industrial precaution level system.
NOTE: The IFPL system does not apply on lands protected by ODF east of the summit of the Cascades.
The following definitions shall apply to these industrial fire precaution levels:
Loading sites: A place where any product or material (including, but not limited to logs, firewood, slash, soil, rock, poles, etc.) is placed in or upon a truck or other vehicle.
Cable yarding system: A yarding system employing cables, and winches in a fixed position.
Low hazard area: Any area where the responsible agency representative (WDNR, ODF, USFS, BIA, BLM) determines the combination of the elements reduces the probability of a fire starting and/or spreading.
Closed season (Fire precautionary period): that season of the year when a fire hazard exists as declared by the responsible agency official.
The IFPL are as follows.
I. Closed Season
Fire season requirements are in effect. In addition to other fire prevention measures, a Fire Watch is required at this and all higher levels unless otherwise waived.
II. Partial Hootowl
The following may operate only between the hours of 8 P.M. and 1 P.M.
.power saws except at loading sites
.cable yarding
.blasting
.welding or cutting of metal
III. Partial Shutdown
The following are prohibited except as indicated:
.cable yarding - except that gravity operated logging systems employing non-motorized carriages may operate between 8 P.M. and 1 P.M. when all blocks and moving lines are suspended 10 feet above the ground except the line between the carriage and the chokers
.power saws - except power saws may be used at loading sites and on tractor/skidder operations between the hours of 8 P.M. and 1 P.M.
In addition, the following are permitted to operate between the hours of 8 P.M. and 1 P.M.:
.tractor/skidder, feller-buncher, forwarder, or shovel logging operations where tractors, skidders or other equipment with a blade capable of constructing fireline are immediately available to quickly reach and effectively attack a fire start
.mechanized loading or hauling of any product or material
.blasting
.welding or cutting of metal
.any other spark emitting operation not specifically mentioned
IV. General Shutdown
All operations are prohibited.
NOTE: Where hauling involves transit through more than one shutdown/regulated use area, the precaution level at the woods loading site shall govern the level of haul restriction, unless otherwise prohibited by other than the industrial precaution level system.
NOTE: The IFPL system does not apply on lands protected by ODF east of the summit of the Cascades.
The following definitions shall apply to these industrial fire precaution levels:
Loading sites: A place where any product or material (including, but not limited to logs, firewood, slash, soil, rock, poles, etc.) is placed in or upon a truck or other vehicle.
Cable yarding system: A yarding system employing cables, and winches in a fixed position.
Low hazard area: Any area where the responsible agency representative (WDNR, ODF, USFS, BIA, BLM) determines the combination of the elements reduces the probability of a fire starting and/or spreading.
Closed season (Fire precautionary period): that season of the year when a fire hazard exists as declared by the responsible agency official.
Depends. It can change from day to day and location to location. We try to be site-specific as much as we can but when it gets real bad they'll shut an entire area down. I've seen county wide and even multi-county shut downs in particularly bad years.
When you see the forester coming up the road at a high rate of speed with a fi####l of papers clutched in one hand, the radio mike in the other, steering with his knees and looking all wild-eyed you can figure things are about to change...again.
custom8726
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windthrown
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Raging fires in the Santa Cruz mountains, and it is only May!?!? It is going to be a bad fire year in CA. Lots of fires down in FL too. Of course, according to my fireman buddies, every year is a bad year. Lots or rain? More fuel to burn later! No rain? Dry as a stick and ready to burst into flames now!
Still green and raining here. OR has had few fires in recent years. Time for me to go burn some more house-size slash piles here today.
Thee fire started at 05:30 and by 09:00 it was around a thousand acres. The wind is howling this morning! Several friends have been evac out, there is a large camp used a science camp right in the path of the fire.
http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents
And it was a foggy, drizzly day here. I have the furnace going! I needed Darryl from the show to cut blowdown. All I see down the road I'm working on is more blowdown in the road. Can't turn firewood cutters loose, and not worth enough to put on a log truck. 
The fire hit about 3000 acres by nightfall. I was at my inlaws all day 2 miles from the wire. The wind kept blowing till 5:00pm. Several friends live in the path of the fire and none know if they still have a house. My wife got called in to work the EOC buy info was sparse. USFS even sent an engine strike team. C130s worked the fire along with helos, I did not see any small air tankers from my vantage point. 30 structures lost seems to be the best guess. I'll post some pics when I'm not so tired.
LarryTheCableGuy
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...and down south from there we has three hours of snow this morning.
Normally it would be cool and damp in Santa Cruz while we are hot & dry here.
Oddness.
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Normally it would be cool and damp in Santa Cruz while we are hot & dry here.
Oddness.
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lt1nut
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Would it be too simplistic for me to think that if more was logged the fires would not be as large or severe?
What else can be done to get rid of all the undergrowth that burns so easily, or do I not understand it correctly?
Wouldn't it make sense to get rid of all trees over say, 15 feet tall, within 100 feet of all structures? Yes, I KNOW living in the woods is nice and all but come on.
Yes, I am a flat-lander but do have a cabin up in the woods up Nort and lived in the L.A. area '76-'81 and remember spending time in Lake Arrowhead/Big Bear/Crestline. Some of those places you could reach off the deck(s) and touch a large tree...:jawdrop:
What else can be done to get rid of all the undergrowth that burns so easily, or do I not understand it correctly?
Wouldn't it make sense to get rid of all trees over say, 15 feet tall, within 100 feet of all structures? Yes, I KNOW living in the woods is nice and all but come on.
Yes, I am a flat-lander but do have a cabin up in the woods up Nort and lived in the L.A. area '76-'81 and remember spending time in Lake Arrowhead/Big Bear/Crestline. Some of those places you could reach off the deck(s) and touch a large tree...:jawdrop:
And it was a foggy, drizzly day here. I have the furnace going! I needed Darryl from the show to cut blowdown. All I see down the road I'm working on is more blowdown in the road. Can't turn firewood cutters loose, and not worth enough to put on a log truck.
Send a little of that foggy drizzle down here...we can use it. And maybe some huckleberry pie to go with it?
And I'll send a chocolate lab too. Nah, he probably really had to go at 2:30AM
and me getting up is better than the alternative. I'll send the fog, but I want to keep it here too, but I'm out of berries. Wait 3 more months for those.
and me getting up is better than the alternative. I'll send the fog, but I want to keep it here too, but I'm out of berries. Wait 3 more months for those.
No more dogs!!! We alread have two Queensland Healers and a Golden Questionmark. The GQ just kind of wandered in one day, took a look around, and decided this was dog heaven.
If I ever get another dog it'll probably be a Lab, though. I had one for fourteen years...he was born, lived his whole life, and died, right here on this ranch.
Good huckleberry pie is worth waiting for. I'll try to be patient.
