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ATH said:
*Safari is no more effective than imidacloprid, but a LOT more expensive. Since imdacloprid moves into the tree slower, you need to have it down earlier in the year (I apply in March/April). Safari is a good option for summer treatments so it gets into the tree right away. The other place for Safari bark sprays if if you want to treat trees in an area with high water table where it would be inappropriate to soil inject.

*The studies I have seen (OSU and MSU) all say that pentra bark does not improve the effetivness of Safari. It certainly has its place, but I don't think this is one of those

*IF you are going to use Safari, you only need to reach the 5-6' high...there is no need to spray the whole tree (and I don't think that is permitted on the label - is it?). One gallon of mix covers at least 65" of trunk diameter, and you want a low pressure spray, so I'd to the backpack sprayer. 5 gallons will treat fifteen 20" dbh trees. That is not that much pumping. They also make engine powered backpack sprayers.

*If I had the job, I'd soil inject imidacloprid. I use this soil injector with flow meter and can run through those pretty quickly. If they want more, you can also soil inject Safari (might be able to tank mix the two???...I haven't checked up on that). Tree-AGE is really the better treatment, but that many trees could take quite a long time. It is really no more expensive than Safari even accounting for the time it takes to apply. Tree-AGE is good for 2 years, while Safari requires annual treatments. So your Tree-AGE will cost more this year, but a 2 year average it will be close to Safari..actually less based on my fee schedule.
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One advantage of using Safari over Imidacloprid is you don't run the risk of encouraging a spider mite outbreak. I don't know if spider mites are a issue with ash though.
 
Here is the 300 gallon Lesco unit. I haven't washed it lately, and it needs a good bath. 2 reels, one in the rear is battery powered, one up front is manual. New Honda engine about mid way through Fall fert. Not a bad unit, just needs a little TLC to be 100%. Put 15,000 gallons through it this fall fert season. We just wanted more capacity and went with an old 1000 gallon Bean.

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epicklein22 said:
Alrighty, what are you spraying now? Dormant oil? EAB is May/June.
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I'll politely disagree. The soil drenches - especially imidacloprid) should be down in April/May (as soon as the soil is no longer saturated). EAB begins hatching mid-May. It can take 30 days for the chemical to move throughout a big tree but remains all season. If you are not treating until June, you have missed 1.5-2 months of control. Into June, is when I switch to Safari (because it moves faster), letting the client know that they missed the opporuntity for a less costly treatment, but we'll switch next year.

However, as you pointed out earler, Tree-AGE is a better treatment. For that to go in, I'll agree 100% on the timing of May/June because you need leaves on the tree.
 
ATH said:
I'll politely disagree. The soil drenches - especially imidacloprid) should be down in April/May (as soon as the soil is no longer saturated). EAB begins hatching mid-May. It can take 30 days for the chemical to move throughout a big tree but remains all season. If you are not treating until June, you have missed 1.5-2 months of control. Into June, is when I switch to Safari (because it moves faster), letting the client know that they missed the opporuntity for a less costly treatment, but we'll switch next year.

However, as you pointed out earler, Tree-AGE is a better treatment. For that to go in, I'll agree 100% on the timing of May/June because you need leaves on the tree.
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Yes, I'm talking strictly Tree-AGE, hopefully no one else reads it different. I'll edit it if possible.
 
epicklein22 said:
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Treeage is best treatment by for EAB. Haven't lost a tree yet with it. 2 years worth of protection too. ....
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Agree that it works the best and you get 2 years. Downsides are that:
*it costs more (than imidacloprid...similar cost to Safari)
*takes longer to apply (down side for me...still billed to client - bring the laptop and write invoices while your waiting...but watch close because some go right in while others take 20 minues...)
*requires injuring the tree

I have lost 2 treated with Tree-AGE, but I told both of the clients I thought there tree was too far gone and they wanted to try anyhow, so I don't feel too bad about it.

I haven't lost one with just imidacloprid, but I haven't used just that on any trees that were so questionable so I don't think it is a fair comparision. I did start treating a 40" dbh tree 5 years ago that had a big wound on one side of the bark (construction damage, no EAB evident) that I told them I had my doubts about. It has looked better every year while all of the other trees in the neighborhood have since bit it.

Point being: start treating healthy trees before EAB shows up.

Edit to add: I probably should move the EAB talk to a EAB thread...just to keep this one focused on sprayers!
 
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ATH said:
Agree that it works the best and you get 2 years. Downsides are that:
*it costs more (than imidacloprid...similar cost to Safari)
*takes longer to apply (down side for me...still billed to client - bring the laptop and write invoices while your waiting...but watch close because some go right in while others take 20 minues...)
*requires injuring the tree

I have lost 2 treated with Tree-AGE, but I told both of the clients I thought there tree was too far gone and they wanted to try anyhow, so I don't feel too bad about it.

I haven't lost one with just imidacloprid, but I haven't used just that on any trees that were so questionable so I don't think it is a fair comparision. I did start treating a 40" dbh tree 5 years ago that had a big wound on one side of the bark (construction damage, no EAB evident) that I told them I had my doubts about. It has looked better every year while all of the other trees in the neighborhood have since bit it.

Point being: start treating healthy trees before EAB shows up.

Edit to add: I probably should move the EAB talk to a EAB thread...just to keep this one focused on sprayers!
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Good Reply! EAB info seems to be lacking on here. Maybe we do need a thread.
 
ok i need a soil injection gun now and rittenhouse seems to be the only place i can find one anyone else know where i can order one online?
 
Matt,
I recommended the Rittenhouse, so obviously I like that one...but to answer your question:

Rainbow has one too but they say no fertilizers and their's is pretty costly.

Also, should have thought of this before when you told me you might be getting an injection gun with the sprayer: McMaster-Carr has meters that you can hook into your current set-up if you got that injection needle. (You actually want a totalizer, not a meter. I have always called it a flowmeter, but technically a meter just tells you how much is flowing out, it does not add it up). Midwest Arborist also has one, but it is a little rich for my needs!

Sherrill has the same needle as Rittenhouse without the meter.
 
mattfr12 said:
ok i need a soil injection gun now and rittenhouse seems to be the only place i can find one anyone else know where i can order one online?
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Sherrill did ( I guess they still do) sell a heavy made soil injection gun I really like. They are easy to rebuild too. I have used them for years.
 
Im considering putting this thing in an enclosed trailer so i can just pretty much leave it in there. Am i making a mistake? i have even tossed around the idea of getting a small box van and putting it in there so i can even add another tank or reel?

I just would hate to buy an enclosed trailer and turn around and want to sell it.
 
mattfr12 said:
Im considering putting this thing in an enclosed trailer so i can just pretty much leave it in there. Am i making a mistake? i have even tossed around the idea of getting a small box van and putting it in there so i can even add another tank or reel?

I just would hate to buy an enclosed trailer and turn around and want to sell it.
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I keep both my rigs on open trailers. I've got a big enough shop I can park everything in at night.
 
ATH said:
"Direct supervision" in Ohio means within 2 hours or 100 miles last I knew.
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A little out of order with this reply but as far as I can tell Texas means..."A entity living or dead that had or wanted to have an applicator's license that is available to you in memory or otherwise and is not farther away than fifty light years or in the case of another dimension up to 9,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 light years. This entity does not have to be known or imagined by you but available to you in some after life." That is about the response I got from TDA when I complained about Leo's Enterprises and Daniel Montalvo.
 

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