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Slamm, your posts are terrific and you pictures are truly amazing (yes even the ones without Karen in them....ok Karen can you talk to my wife, she still cant figure out why i cut wood!) East coast, west coast, United States, Canada, Europe, hell the globe, we all do things a lil differently to suit our conditions, clowns think there is only one way to do it all. Your cutting alot of board feet, and some good sized timbers, I would have to blow the dust of my 24 and 28" bar to deal with that, but where I cut my 576 and 372 spends most of its time with a 16-18" bar. Find me a saw to use in hardwood with a 24" bar running full skip.............will never happen round these parts. Still in these parts loggers use horses and sleighs in the winter way because they work regardless, whereas skidders and such are no good in 4' of snow!
 
Typical great forum humor

Guy #1 calls poster "A" an idiot guys #2 & #3 chime in and agree. After further reckoning guys #2 and #3 do an about face while original discenter, guy #1, still believes original poster is an idiot. Throw in several supportive comments from the peanut gallery and everyone is happy again.

I like cutting trees too; wish I could make some real coin off it.

Carry on!!:cheers:
 
Don't really know where to start, but I will ask, what did I "not own up to"?????

Are you trying to say that I have posted a photo or video of something and either explained it differently or lied about something in the photo or video??, because I would sure like to know what it is I don't or won't own up to, its getting plum deep in here now.

I post photos, of good trees, good stumps, a clean timber when I'm done, clean logs, happy customers and buyers, and everyone is making money and happy, and the only people who seem to have the problems or see the problems in some internet heros or armchair quarterbacks. I agreed with several of the points made by several posters, and they are valid points, except for one minor detail ............ it won't or doesn't work under these circumstances for various reasons that has been explained before.

Like the pulp thing, its great I guess if you make $36 per ton ......... but I don't. I might make $12 per ton. So I'm not broke enough to waste another several minutes per tree limbing and cutting up the most worthless wood, that is going to be coming out of it, when I sure don't make money at it, the landowner isn't making any money with it and the timber buyer isn't making any money on it, so if you guys think that pulp is such a money maker that I'm an idiot for not pulling it out, tell you what, I'll let you know each job I'm on and you can bring your equipment and drag all of it out that you want for free, come get it all. But if I have to work all week in the woods and all I make is $1,800 off pulp or that is a good check, I would not be interested in logging as the pay per hour at that rate is not very good, especially if I have to now purchase a log loader and log truck to haul it, that is two more pieces of equipment to pull out the cheapest most worthless wood there is in it, but I'm the idiot ...... also the pulp mill is closed today through monday this next week. Bet I make a killing on that pulp this week RIGHT!!!! LOL... The pulp truck has picked up loads in the morning sat for 3-4 hours waiting to be unloaded and then picked up again at say 1pm and didn't get back until 5:30pm, that is not how I want to try to make money, sitting in some pulp truck line????? But I'm the idiot. I should be going right now to get a bucksaw, knuckle boom loader and log truck, RIGHT?????

I guess, one way, I might put it is all or most of the loggers around here that did it the "old fashion way" are gone, dead or bankrupt. Most are/were cheats, liars and did what appears to look like years later to be hack jobs of cutting and directional falling. So some here will have to excuse me if I don't take an immediate turn and begin changing my program toward something is even remotely resembles "traditional" or macho or super fast ways of cutting, but those various methods while they may be great if all I was, was a cutter, but I also get paid to skid, and I get pissed if my skidders have to work one ounce harder because of dumb falling or placement or if a cutter wouldn't "waste" a little time with a wedge to get more angle on the fall/direction if it would help.

What really gets me about a lot of this is, I simply posted some photos of what goes on. I never said it was the best or correct or smartest or "hey everyone log like me", but some of you have taken it upon yourselves to "guide" me into doing things or methods or techniques that I probably already do if the situation allows it or can do, but obviously choose to not do it that way for whatever reason, most because I have found that it doesn't pay or make a hill of beans worth of difference at the end of the day or week or year, or better yet, maybe, just maybe I left a backstrap on it so that I could stop cutting and walk over to the camera, turn it on and then walk back over to the tree and cut it loose and have it drop and I not get killed or the tree on split all on digital video, but no, most here have to just figure that I'm some dumb crap that at best cuts 10 trees and struggles to get those out of the woods and then needs help paying my bills and getting another job. I guess, I'll just chalk that up to the natural negativity that is in most individuals.

I like those that give the advise, like hey, you have a sweet operation and looks like you are doing good, but if you would just add a little more risk and danger into your life, then man you would really see some better results, LOL. Honestly its really hard to take some of you seriously...... and pretty much I don't.

It takes a certain gall to look at another individuals operation and without knowing what in the hell is going on, repeatedly advise him on how he should be running things ............... when it appears that there is little room for vast improvement and the minors thing are just that, minor and more preferrential than anything.

Call me hobby or partime, I don't care, I cut trees and make money and everyone around here is happy about it. If it offends you that I referred to this thread with logging in it, I appologize and will attempt to refrain from usint that acronim in anything related to myself. I guess, I don't get any "tradition" points, but then I haven't ever recieved any checks that had any denominations of "tradition" on them. So you guys can have your traditions and all, you guys are "loggers", and I will take the money and we'll see how that works out in say 5-10 years for each family.


Later,

Sam

Honestly man I never said you should change your whole damn operation. I think you've got an awesome set up and do good work and I said that several times. Whether you believe that of not its fine. I just saw a couple of things you could do differently and they really aren't involving any more danger than trees going 90 degrees off target. I know that what you post is few of the many, many things that go in the day to day. I was merely trying to suggest a few things.

What I meant by not owning it is any guy who is doing what you do has to have passion for it. Owning all of your own equipment and making an operation work is not just a job like you said. Guys that are just doing a job eek out a living working for someone else. They don't bust their ass everyday with their own equipment and deal with all of the stress and strain that goes with it. I understand that it is not your only money maker, but it takes a lot of nuts to do. I do like seeing your pics and vids regardless of what I think you could be doing differently. There are not many members posting this kind of stuff and I always enjoy it. As for what I think you should do I know I took it a little too far and I will keep my mouth shut. For whatever its worth, I still think you have one hell of a nice set up.
 
Honestly man I never said you should change your whole damn operation. I think you've got an awesome set up and do good work and I said that several times. Whether you believe that of not its fine. I just saw a couple of things you could do differently and they really aren't involving any more danger than trees going 90 degrees off target. I know that what you post is few of the many, many things that go in the day to day. I was merely trying to suggest a few things.

What I meant by not owning it is any guy who is doing what you do has to have passion for it. Owning all of your own equipment and making an operation work is not just a job like you said. Guys that are just doing a job eek out a living working for someone else. They don't bust their ass everyday with their own equipment and deal with all of the stress and strain that goes with it. I understand that it is not your only money maker, but it takes a lot of nuts to do. I do like seeing your pics and vids regardless of what I think you could be doing differently. There are not many members posting this kind of stuff and I always enjoy it. As for what I think you should do I know I took it a little too far and I will keep my mouth shut. For whatever its worth, I still think you have one hell of a nice set up.

No biggy, Bitzercreek.

Sam
 
Group hug!!!!

No group hugs.

And Sam? It's your show, run it the way you want. If you're making money and getting the wood out that's all that matters.

The way we do stuff out here probably wouldn't work for you. That doesn't matter.

I'd like to have those big flat landings. Most of ours are so small that the trucks have to back in and we deck the logs on the side hill on one side and over the bank on the other. The only flat ground is where the shovel sets up and sometimes that's not real flat.
 
Your landings look like extra large helicopter landings. You are lucky.

Here's part of a typical landing here. The guys have to work with and trust each other to keep from getting smooshed. Sometimes it is like it is choreographed. These guys have worked together a long time. You could tell.

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The yarder was just out of the picture. They kicked out part of a cut bank to make room for it.
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Your landings look like extra large helicopter landings. You are lucky.

Here's part of a typical landing here. The guys have to work with and trust each other to keep from getting smooshed. Sometimes it is like it is choreographed. These guys have worked together a long time. You could tell.

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The yarder was just out of the picture. They kicked out part of a cut bank to make room for it.
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Yup, our landings consisted of a goat trail, and high-stumps to deck on the fill slope. Sometimes we got lucky, and used a couple skidders to take trees to another landing after the chaser and stroker were done with'em.

I need to drive up to a unit I did 11 years ago. . . Take some video of the ground. It's way the hell off in BFE, but deer and elk opened yesterday, so it'd be an excuse to hunt too. We had two nice bulls taunt us for a week on that unit. . . Illegal to pop them while we were working, so we just had to watch them.

Big landings are a blessing for sure.

I'd like to see more pictures of this yarder too! Cute little bugger it is.

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I told them it was cute, and their smiles turned to forced smiles. It is not cool to call a yarder cute, but I can do so, and did several times. That yarder engineer sure can baby it and do what needs to be done to get the logs into the landing under control.

Their loader was pretty new too. The guy running it has probably been in equipment from the time he was born. He comes from a major logging family.
He was exceptional to work with too.

I get spoiled when such good crews show up and make things look easy. :clap:
 
I told them it was cute, and their smiles turned to forced smiles. It is not cool to call a yarder cute, but I can do so, and did several times. That yarder engineer sure can baby it and do what needs to be done to get the logs into the landing under control.

Their loader was pretty new too. The guy running it has probably been in equipment from the time he was born. He comes from a major logging family.
He was exceptional to work with too.

I get spoiled when such good crews show up and make things look easy. :clap:

LOL, well that's just tough for them. It is cute, just like them little JD 440 skidders. :laugh:

Do you know the make of that yarder? I'd like to look them up online and check them out in more detail. Seems about as big as a Bitterroot Mini-Yarder, so your wood and turns can't be real big.
 
It is a Madill and has 4 numbers on the machine. It is smaller than the 071 and has a square tube. Maybe 40 feet high? It is not a swing yarder. That's all I can tell. Here is from the other end. It doesn't seem as cute.

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It is a Madill and has 4 numbers on the machine. It is smaller than the 071 and has a square tube. Maybe 40 feet high? It is not a swing yarder. That's all I can tell. Here is from the other end. It doesn't seem as cute.

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Hmmmm. . . I didn't find any info on Madill's website. Perhaps it was a loader/harvester chassis that they made into a small tower yarder?
 
Hmmmm. . . I didn't find any info on Madill's website. Perhaps it was a loader/harvester chassis that they made into a small tower yarder?

Are you scheming to produce a logging crew for next summer? I'm gonna bet you're the rigging slinger.
 
It had a model number on it. A four digit number. We need input from Humptulips. Or just call up an equipment dealer and ask about the cute Madill yarder.

It is a good size as it isn't a big climb to get in and out of the cab.


Hmmmmm. Will be a slow chaser for kayak racks in trade. I have a whole hour of experience. :)
 
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Are you scheming to produce a logging crew for next summer? I'm gonna bet you're the rigging slinger.

Can't say I don't think about it a lot. After bidding that firewood salvage job -- I have a constant hankering to go bid some stewardship contracts. A guy won't get rich doing them, but you're in the woods.

And they offer a little bit of everything. . . Pre-Commercial thinning, some saw logs, lop and scatter. . . Maybe some pulping? I know we could have an ass kicking crew with a few phone calls. :)

It had a model number on it. A four digit number. We need input from Humptulips. Or just call up an equipment dealer and ask about the cute Madill yarder.

It is a good size as it isn't a big climb to get in and out of the cab.


Hmmmmm. Will be a slow chaser for kayak racks in trade. I have a whole hour of experience. :)

Oh no Miss P. . . We won't work our best hand like a chaser gets worked. You'd be at the M.B.U. (Mobile Baking Unit) -- keeping the crew in all the cookies, doughnuts and pie they could handle. While your stuff was in the oven, you could kick your feet up and sip on Huckleberry wine. :D
 
Let's get back on topic. No, I am not a logger nor are most of the folks on this site. I enjoy this thread without all the bickering. :sword:

Sam is truly blessed and I appreciate him sharing a little with us.

If you much offer advice, see if you can help these folks out with their logging operation. ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e7gnxO4Sxc&feature=related

Ron
 

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