Stihl 046 Magnum hard starting

[Mastermind]

I remember seeing where someone said the 1300 coil was a good idea on the 461 to get rid of rev limiting. I don't agree....

I recently used a 461 coil on a poly flywheel 066.......hot damn. The helped that old girl.

 

[Adirondackstihl]

You can defeat the rev limiter on the 461 by modifying the bottom pole of the coil.........if you wanted to

 

[Mastermind]

Treemonkey said he tried that, and it did not work.

 

[showrguy]

think you guys are being had !!

cary on....

 

[Saw Dr.]

OK, here is where I went amiss

And here is where they changed it again.

Sorry for the mixup guys. I KNEW I had read that the 046 "upgraded" to fixed timing somewhere...

 

[Adirondackstihl]

Treemonkey said he tried that, and it did not work.

Interesting.

 

[Jacob J.]

yea I seen his add...wish I had the money...he said it had a 1128 400 1309 coil on it...that must be nla because I have no info on it...jj is the man.

Ask Wiggz how much stronger a 460 runs with the older coil (1309) over the newer coil (1314.) He said it was a noticeable difference.

We bought four new 046s when I was on the Hotshot crew the day they came out- September 05, 1996. Those are good running saws. We had them on the crew for about five years...

 

[SawMekanic]

so uhh .... how can i determine exactly which coil mine actually is ? What do i look for ...

And .... is there a better coil to modify this ?

 

[Jacob J.]

OK, here is where I went amiss

And here is where they changed it again.

Sorry for the mixup guys. I KNEW I had read that the 046 "upgraded" to fixed timing somewhere...

Yeah the upgrade didn't work. We replaced many ignitions on later 046s under warranty as a result of this...You have to have the timing curve to compensate for the flex in the poly flywheel at high speeds.
The 1303 and 1305 coils had high rates of failure.

I remember seeing where someone said the 1300 coil was a good idea on the 461 to get rid of rev limiting. I don't agree....

I recently used a 461 coil on a poly flywheel 066.......hot damn. The helped that old girl.

The 1300 coil on any saw with the poly flywheel will reduce the upper limit RPM and will also lower the RPM range of peak power.

 

[Jacob J.]

so uhh .... how can i determine exactly which coil mine actually is ? What do i look for ...

And .... is there a better coil to modify this ?

Look at your coil, it should have numbers or identifying marks right on the side of it.

 

[Saw Dr.]

Just try swapping one off another saw. If the problem goes away, you found it. Or you can order a new one at the dealer. They are expensive.

 

[Saw Dr.]

The price of 3 leg 046 coils on eBay just quadrupled.

 

[big t double]

Ask Wiggz how much stronger a 460 runs with the older coil (1309) over the newer coil (1314.) He said it was a noticeable difference.

We bought four new 046s when I was on the Hotshot crew the day they came out- September 05, 1996. Those are good running saws. We had them on the crew for about five years...

Oh I have absolutely no reason to doubt you...I just couldnt find any info on said coil and it shows nla from steal...wish I had the scratch to buy your saw

 

[Adirondackstihl]

I've got a coil here in my hand and I can't find any real identifying markings.
It is a 2 pole STIHL coil.

 

[Jacob J.]

The price of 3 leg 046 coils on eBay just quadrupled.

Not really...most ebay seller don't have a clue on the ignitions or even know there's any difference in them. The last two I bought were just labeled as "Stihl CDI module."

Just to muddy the waters even further, there was a short run of SEM modules made for Stihl during the whole 1303/1305 coil misery, with no numbers on them at all but with the same shape as the 1314 coil. They are very aggressively timed and make a great running saw but have very high rates of failure.

 

[Jacob J.]

I've got a coil here in my hand and I can't find any real identifying markings.
It is a 2 pole STIHL coil.

That's an ignition for the smaller saws, like an 024 or 034, maybe even an 038. See how it doesn't have the relief on the back of the bottom mount?

 

[Adirondackstihl]

That's an ignition for the smaller saws, like an 024 or 034, maybe even an 038. See how it doesn't have the relief on the back of the bottom mount?

Yup, it's off my 034. I put an 044 coil on it.

 

[SawMekanic]

1128 400 1312 is on my coil

 

[SawMekanic]

so what brand of .22 pellets are yall using

 

[Jacob J.]

Yup, it's off my 034. I put an 044 coil on it.

Yeah those smaller saws have more room between the wall of the case and the coil mount, so the relief that's ground on the back of the bottom coil mount for the bigger saws isn't there.