Stihl 440 vs 441 - Which one do I buy?
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booger1286
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I was wondering myself the difference between the 440 and 441. Which is built better and why is the 440 more expensive?
This is a oft debated topic, that stirs up strong opinions.
They are both good saws. I have a 440, and had a 441. The 440 is lighter and balances better. If your walking around with it a lot, this makes a big difference. The 441 has slightly more power, is smoother, and uses less gas. It is noticeably heavier and less handy than the 440. If you're just cutting close to the house or truck, and/or doing lots of bucking with it, maybe a 441 would get the nod.
Many people on AS love the 441. Around here, they are not popular at all, especially with loggers. Some large saw shops won't even carry them in stock. Mine was an early one with problems, and after a few months I gave up on it. I hear that the newer ones are better.
I run a 24" or 28" on my 440, and it is an awesome felling saw.
They are both good saws. I have a 440, and had a 441. The 440 is lighter and balances better. If your walking around with it a lot, this makes a big difference. The 441 has slightly more power, is smoother, and uses less gas. It is noticeably heavier and less handy than the 440. If you're just cutting close to the house or truck, and/or doing lots of bucking with it, maybe a 441 would get the nod.
Many people on AS love the 441. Around here, they are not popular at all, especially with loggers. Some large saw shops won't even carry them in stock. Mine was an early one with problems, and after a few months I gave up on it. I hear that the newer ones are better.
I run a 24" or 28" on my 440, and it is an awesome felling saw.
OrangeRidge
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Is the MS441 C-M the model that's had "hot re-start problems and rough cold-start" that resulted in thousands of
replacements( with MS440 ) being interchanged with US Parks Depts. ? The Latest MS441 R C-M is the "fixed"
replacement for that troublesome predecessor ? Is this correct ?
replacements( with MS440 ) being interchanged with US Parks Depts. ? The Latest MS441 R C-M is the "fixed"
replacement for that troublesome predecessor ? Is this correct ?
booger1286
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In that case i think i would get the better handling saw that is easier to mod.
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I bought my first 441 in 2006 so I think it was a "early" one and I never had any problems hot or cold starts. It was very cold natured before it was broken in but after 7 or 8 tanks of fuel that problem went away and was a very good saw. It would handle a 28" bar in solid oak in good fashion. I think the problems of the 441 was the naysayers that never ran one. I don't think they are that bulky at all, I had a 044 prior to the 441 and I don't think it was noticably lighter but it was more sleek looking. Oh well, to each there own. They are all good.
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My friends and I have had this "discussion" several times.
They are of the "newer is better" crowd.
I, on the other hand, think good saws aren't broken and don't need to be fixed.
I'm real comfortable with the tried and proven technology.
I have crank up windows, manual transmission and RUBBER floor mats in my truck.
I wouldn't trade a good running 440 for five 441's and I wouldn't trade five 440s for my 372!!!
But what do I know? After all I'm ONLY a firewood cutter.
Mike
They are of the "newer is better" crowd.
I, on the other hand, think good saws aren't broken and don't need to be fixed.
I'm real comfortable with the tried and proven technology.
I have crank up windows, manual transmission and RUBBER floor mats in my truck.
I wouldn't trade a good running 440 for five 441's and I wouldn't trade five 440s for my 372!!!
But what do I know? After all I'm ONLY a firewood cutter.
Mike
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can't beat simple
PA Plumber
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I have both.
Here's about 1/2 a cent worth of opinion.
http://www.arboristsite.com/chainsaw/61824.htm
For a combo felling/limbing saw; the 440 still has all the right stuff in all the right places.
For a firewood and felling saw; the 441 gets the nod.
Here's about 1/2 a cent worth of opinion.
http://www.arboristsite.com/chainsaw/61824.htm
For a combo felling/limbing saw; the 440 still has all the right stuff in all the right places.
For a firewood and felling saw; the 441 gets the nod.
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buddy, I hate to say it but I think you're dead wrong. I've not met a 372 in the same league as yours, however, stock for stock, 441, 372, 440 IMHO
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BULL CRAP!!!
You don't hate to say it, or you wouldn't keep repeating yourself so often!:hmm3grin2orange:
I can see how a guy of your stature would favor an overweight pig that handles like a barbeque grill though!!!LOL:msp_tongue:
Don't be posting popcorn guys we go at it like this all the time:msp_biggrin:
At the end of the day he is still my brother and I love him.......even if he doesn't know a really good saw when he sees it!
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I know what I like, I like what I know, and I know I like.... well you get the point!
Can you tell the difference on the shelf between the newest 441 and the oldest? What to look for?
I am seriously rolling the idea around of getting one and having my 460 ported instead of getting a 660 which I would rarely need.
My thoughts were 28 on 460 which I have and running a 20 on the 441
I couldn't buy a 372 here to save my life. This is Stihl country out here.
I am seriously rolling the idea around of getting one and having my 460 ported instead of getting a 660 which I would rarely need.
My thoughts were 28 on 460 which I have and running a 20 on the 441
I couldn't buy a 372 here to save my life. This is Stihl country out here.
Good info.
??? Never heard this one before.
i didnt figure you for a drinker brad,but youve been hittin the hooch
I always liked the 440 best out of the 70cc stihl saws. I've never got to run a 441 yet. I've owned 372, xpws, 576s and 440 at the same time. The 440 is probably the lightest of them all. A 372 is close with small dawgs on it.
The power of the 576 and xpw is close to each other. There's a good lb between them though. I always like to get a shot in on the stihl guys from time to time.
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The power of the 576 and xpw is close to each other. There's a good lb between them though. I always like to get a shot in on the stihl guys from time to time.
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just get the m-tronic model. but the easiest way to tell the newest 441 from the older ones, now is the stainless steel muffler (same on thats on the m-tronic)
Thanks tried to rep you but it said no go:msp_ohmy:
Makes sense to me.....
My 372XPW (the real, 75cc version) felt stronger than my old 441 (non-CM version). Stock to stock saws. The XPW was, of course a little lighter and handled way better. Too bad they don't make the old version anymore. It was one of the best saws Husky ever made.
