STIHL IS REDESIGNING ALL OF THEIR BARS! NEVER SEEN NEW SAWS!

[ZinTrees]

I hope you’re considering the tune of the carb when you say that. It’s better to tune a saw a bit rich at, say 13,500 than having it screaming high with no 4 stroking, say 14,700. Easy way to toast the saw is to run it lean thinking rpm is the way to go

yeah you tune to the "correct" tune, obviously not just turning screws till it wont 4 stroke
get it to 4 stroke out of the cut and the second the chain touches the wood it should clear up, how I tune all mine and they all run great, only ever blown one up with bad mix

 

[Rodger_Dodger]

Meh. The electric stuff is okay...

Some of it’s ok, at current production levels. When almost everything has been converted to electric it’s going to be the oil/gas crisis of the 1970’s all over again. It’s going to be relatively few controlling the raw minerals required to build these systems, instead of crude it’ll be lithium and other minerals. Not to mention the problems with supplying enough energy to run everything and pollution associated with mining the raw materials. It’s only mostly “green” for the end user, not the folks at the supply level of energy and raw materials.

The changes for the bars have been in the product catalog for last couple of years. I noticed one regular rollamtic bar that was rebadged as “light”.

 

[Breckinridge Elkins]

Does the EPA have something like CAFE for small engines?

 

[user 188535]

Does the EPA have something like CAFE for small engines?

Idk. There are other regulations though.

 

[user 188535]

I have now found the chart in full color . Woulda been useful 3 weeks ago...

 

[ihookem]

They are going the battery route to be WOKE. If they are planting EV charging stations in their parking lot , that proves they are trying to please a certain crowd, especially if they talk about it. They can try to please the EV fans, but it is a very small percent of their loyal customers. It wont be long they will be trying to push the bigger saws into battery saws. It makes me so mad that they can sell a battery for hundreds of dollars and call it green.. They are making a mistake. It is fien to have a few models , maybe up to 2 horsepower , but that is it. My mom wanted a chainsaw . i told her , NO WAY . We agreed on a Dewalt 20 v. mini sawzall . She is 85 though..

 

[computeruser]

Graphics should be easy to fix with heavy use or a sander.

Had a Husqvarna marked bar I was running on a Dolmar some years ago. Didn’t like the visible branding. Less than five minutes with the random orbit sander and it was shiny steel. Problem solved.

 

[Lightning Performance]

Battery saw sales marketing at the homeowners is a joke! Stihl will make more money off of dead batteries now. Homeowners don't charge them after use most times.

 

[ihookem]

And they are expensive . A friend bought a Milwaukee 6amp? It was $150 . If a guy cant figure out how to take care of a small Stihl 180, then get a battery saw. However, they will find out in 10 yrs. that the new battery is more than the Stihl 180 they could have bought 10 yrs. ago for half what the battery saw was. They are expensive saws. I am not insulting anyone or acting Pompus for those that like battery saws. Just saying a simple gas saw is cheap.

 

[Mad Professor]

Stihl will be redesigning ALL of their bars to give them the new "graphic design".

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• The Rollomatic ES will be the Strong X
• The Rollomatic ES Light will be the Light X
• The Duromatic will be the Strong X
• The Rollomatic G will be the Strong G

• Stihl will be making 80% of their product line battery electric by 2026 ( Likely for their 100th anniversary )
• Stihl has made the AK series saws into the MSA 60 C and MSA 70 C to accommodate more battery saws
• Stihl will be experimenting with alternative fuels
• Stihl is now installing EV chargers all over their campus to encourage employees to drive EVs

• Stihl will be coming out with the TS 910i and TS 710i cut-off machines

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• Stihl will be coming out with some new GAS and battery walk-behind mowers ( This was seen at Equip Expo but nothing else in the video or this post were )

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The video has much more Stihl news including some insider stuff I heard from my man at Stihl the last time I talked to him.



You heard it here first boys.

I won't be buying any new Stihls.

 

[stihltech]

You either like change or you don't. I try to embrace it as somebody is going to make money off repairing it. Might as well get my share.
Guy buys a 170. Cuts two limbs off and puts in on the shelf for a year (or more). Brings it in to the shop, won't start. Pull on it many times, no fuel. Check fuel system, carburetor all corroded, water in fuel. Tell him what it needs, he gets angry at price. Tell him Motomix would better in his situation. Says TOO expensive. Will see him in a couple more years with the same issue.
Yes, this is the customer for a battery saw. Cities with noise ordinances will require them.
Shun it or understand it your choice.
Course, I was the guy that went to GM school it the 80s for auto electronics. Yeah, I'm that guy.

 

[Stihlproincky]

Not the bars…going all electric. Stupid.

If they go all electric, don't buy them
Everybody don't buy them we have got to stand against this s**t.

 

[Retiredboomer1]

so they made ton of profit last year (no you can't buy stock or I would)
and with tons of profit they must spend cash on new designs for new produces , and R&D and seems now graphics ART got bit if cash for their budget.
all 3 top branded saws are good. but the one with good parts to buy for them wins. Stihl,Husky, Echo.
some clone parts are 5 times more than a oEM crankshaft from china direct. but cloned key parts are iffy , or worse.
will you split the case 5 times to get a good crank? (BURNED UP RUNNING LEAN)
wait until the newer home owner has to cut up downed small limbs with the Stihl electric and the battery is now toasted. and sees the price of the battery?
yes stihl's profits are up on battery parts and saw sale, so they can make better gas saws. LOL (for sure mag case saws) (361?)

Logging saws will never be electric, unless a 100lb battery works, will it? and if it did, who'd care?

 

[peeteek]

The graphics on the bars to me is a non issue - as long as the fancy graphics do not increase their costs!
I've used consumer gas saws for over 40 years cutting firewood, and have both Stihl and Husky saws. As I got older, I have found that using the smallest lightest saws allow me to saw longer with less fatigue. I was totally aghast at EV's in any configuration until my shoulders gave out and I invested in some battery week whacker, hedge trimmers, and small pole saw - and have been very impressed with their usefulness. For homeowner use no problem - but I do find you need to invest in extra batteries as you can't bring a gas can to refuel. A pain is that in the cold, or hot weather, there is a delay to charge batteries to heat them or cool them as required.
When I ordered the pole saw, they sent me a small 12" battery trimming saw by mistake and never picked it up, so after a year of waiting, I tried it. Surprisingly for such a 'toy' saw, it works great for limbing and small projects. I was so impressed that I bought a used larger electric saw - 18" and 20" bars - and have been impressed with how well it cuts using the narrow kerf micro chains. The battery is still a problem for costs, run life, and recharging, but as battery tech improves - I can see where for many applications where you do not cut all day, these will work fine. I also suspect that Stihl will make the best in the market. After 40 years of dealing with consumer saws - I got my first pro Stihl saw - and love it!
I have used the Arborist site to learn much more about bars, chains, etc. I'll admit being stupid never to know what a .050, .058, .065 meant, or how to match the new pitch chain drivers to match the chains. So, with some knowledge I'll be a better arborist, and will eventually go back through my other saws to make sure the chain and bars match. While I am no 'pro', I feel that I have advanced a lot just knowing how to match the saw bar, and chains now!
Thanks to all who post informative posts to help us 'non-pros' to gain useful information! That said, I likely have bought my last saw as my Stihl MS261CM will outlast my useful arborist life - but with two new shoulders, I am back at working the forest and woodpile!

 

[freeasaburt]

I've only used a few battery saws; wasn't super impressed with the Husqvarna one (forgot the type though), although it did its job; recently I used a friend of mine's MSA220 with a carving bar on it, and was really pleasantly surprised. Comes in handy for limbing and even bucking smaller pieces; it didn't bog down even when cutting pieces with a diameter larger than the bar. It was only dead spruce, but still.
Battery life was quite decent too.
Would like to test the MSA300, and compare it to my 026's.

Yes, there's drawbacks, mentioned above already, but they definitely have their use/place, in my opinion.

I don't like the look of the new bars either, they look kinda silly but it's just paint indeed. If I would choose based on esthetics anyway, the Rollomatic ES Light is still my favorite.

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

so, I run a T540iXP Husqvarna, 2 batteries lasts almost a full day of removals, cutting <8" oak, hackberry, maple, locust, etc
if its only prunes and not chunking bigger wood, a single battery lasts almost 2 days, id say in total I get well over 44 minutes of cut time per charge,

I use BLi200X batteries, which I believe are the smallest husky makes also, they are pretty light hence not using a bigger battery, if I need that much more power, for less weight I can use my 200T

Sounds like a fair assessment from a guy who knows the right tool for the job.

I can definitely see pro's and cons of each type tool. Some will weigh the cost of battery vs gas, some have 0 choice like they are saying about Kommiefornia. Some will be better off with battery like homeowners, but there again, do the batteries lose life span if not used and recharged regularly?

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

The graphics on the bars to me is a non issue - as long as the fancy graphics do not increase their costs!
I've used consumer gas saws for over 40 years cutting firewood, and have both Stihl and Husky saws. As I got older, I have found that using the smallest lightest saws allow me to saw longer with less fatigue. I was totally aghast at EV's in any configuration until my shoulders gave out and I invested in some battery week whacker, hedge trimmers, and small pole saw - and have been very impressed with their usefulness. For homeowner use no problem - but I do find you need to invest in extra batteries as you can't bring a gas can to refuel. A pain is that in the cold, or hot weather, there is a delay to charge batteries to heat them or cool them as required.
When I ordered the pole saw, they sent me a small 12" battery trimming saw by mistake and never picked it up, so after a year of waiting, I tried it. Surprisingly for such a 'toy' saw, it works great for limbing and small projects. I was so impressed that I bought a used larger electric saw - 18" and 20" bars - and have been impressed with how well it cuts using the narrow kerf micro chains. The battery is still a problem for costs, run life, and recharging, but as battery tech improves - I can see where for many applications where you do not cut all day, these will work fine. I also suspect that Stihl will make the best in the market. After 40 years of dealing with consumer saws - I got my first pro Stihl saw - and love it!
I have used the Arborist site to learn much more about bars, chains, etc. I'll admit being stupid never to know what a .050, .058, .065 meant, or how to match the new pitch chain drivers to match the chains. So, with some knowledge I'll be a better arborist, and will eventually go back through my other saws to make sure the chain and bars match. While I am no 'pro', I feel that I have advanced a lot just knowing how to match the saw bar, and chains now!
Thanks to all who post informative posts to help us 'non-pros' to gain useful information! That said, I likely have bought my last saw as my Stihl MS261CM will outlast my useful arborist life - but with two new shoulders, I am back at working the forest and woodpile!

welcome to the forum and also wish you many years of SAFE sawing.

I have never been too close to fatal or life changing injury with saws, but know 2 guys who have. One perished as a ground man, the other had some trees under pressure that released and nearly took his head off. He is alive and definitely learned a lot about how a mistake nearly cost him.
He is a retired Captain in a fire dept too.

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

And my saws keep my hands warm, guess they need to put a electric heater on those battery ones. I know, sarcastic humor.

Actually a good point I think.

 

[Franny K]

Sounds like a fair assessment from a guy who knows the right tool for the job.

I can definitely see pro's and cons of each type tool. Some will weigh the cost of battery vs gas, some have 0 choice like they are saying about Kommiefornia. Some will be better off with battery like homeowners, but there again, do the batteries lose life span if not used and recharged regularly?

Dendrites form in the cells li ion. Not all will degrade exactly the same. Whether the permeant magnets in the motor degrade over time is another variable.


This is in pictures and video, it was suggested at the bottom of a page.

 

[ZinTrees]

do the batteries lose life span if not used and recharged regularly?

for that, I have no answer, mine are drained and charged almost every day, we run that saw 4-7 days a week