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tdi-rick said:
As Matt found out when talking to the big Stihl dealer (can't recall their name ATM) when in Tassie a few years back that advised 32:1 at a minimum in 660 and up saws due to what they'd experienced.
IIRC they'd seen a big difference in wear between 660's running 30:1 vs 50:1 in pro use using Stihl oil.
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That's right Rick. When it comes to oil ratios and internal wear I'll tend to listen to guys in the industry with a lot of experience who deal with high hour saws.
I always laugh when I hear guys say that "INSERT OIL HERE" is the best oil on the market when they put 10 hours on their saw a year. They could have run sump oil and not noticed a difference.
 
tdi-rick said:
As Matt found out when talking to the big Stihl dealer (can't recall their name ATM) when in Tassie a few years back
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Roberts Don Mac in Hobart....

Or Aus Chainsaw Products in Launnie?

Devonport just call themselves the Stihl shop.....
Ulverstone is a small shop....
Burnie changed owners a few years back, now North West Mowers, used to be some mob out at Round Hill......

I guess there's more but the first two are the big dealers.....
 
deepsouth said:
Roberts Don Mac in Hobart....

Or Aus Chainsaw Products in Launnie?

Devonport just call themselves the Stihl shop.....
Ulverstone is a small shop....
Burnie changed owners a few years back, now North West Mowers, used to be some mob out at Round Hill......

I guess there's more but the first two are the big dealers.....
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Nah Griggs down at Huonville - I think the old man is Steve but can't remember the son's name. He has a D40 Navara with STIHL1 on the numberplate. They used to sell around 60-65 MS660's a year but now down to about 10 as logging has died in the arse. They had some really interesting information on oil ratios and internal wear. The guys running 25:1 had WAY less internal wear on saws with similar hours than those running 50:1. When they started telling and showing loggers most started running their saws on 25:1.
Personally I think 25:1 is probably a bit too rich on a 660 with modern oils but the proof is in the pudding.
 
MCW said:
Nah Griggs down at Huonville - I think the old man is Steve but can't remember the son's name. He has a D40 Navara with STIHL1 on the numberplate. They used to sell around 60-65 MS660's a year but now down to about 10 as logging has died in the arse. They had some really interesting information on oil ratios and internal wear. The guys running 25:1 had WAY less internal wear on saws with similar hours than those running 50:1. When they started telling and showing loggers most started running their saws on 25:1.
Personally I think 25:1 is probably a bit too rich on a 660 with modern oils but the proof is in the pudding.
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Wow that's like $100k pa loss in sales. Hope business is still doing okay for them.
 
Rudolf73 said:
Wow that's like $100k pa loss in sales. Hope business is still doing okay for them.
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They run a pretty good business down there but it certainly isn't as lucrative as it used to be. Benny actually caught up with them recently at a Stihl conference. They're a good bunch of guys.
Funniest comment he said to me when I told him I had a 3120 was "3120's are pieces of sh*t". I said "do you like 880's?". His reply was "They're a piece of sh*t too". :D I asked a few more questions and he reckons they had no end of dramas down there with 880's and refuses to sell them anymore. Sadly I've heard that from a few people over the years about the 880's. 088's and 084's don't seem to have the same reputation for some reason. My thoughts are that they always just have the guts flogged out of them and prior to the HD2 filtration was probably just a bit too average for the type of work they were generally doing. There was even rumours that the Australian rev limit was too high for them to sustain but not sure that would be the reason.
 
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MCW said:
Nah Griggs down at Huonville - I think the old man is Steve but can't remember the son's name. He has a D40 Navara with STIHL1 on the numberplate. They used to sell around 60-65 MS660's a year but now down to about 10 as logging has died in the arse. They had some really interesting information on oil ratios and internal wear. The guys running 25:1 had WAY less internal wear on saws with similar hours than those running 50:1. When they started telling and showing loggers most started running their saws on 25:1.
Personally I think 25:1 is probably a bit too rich on a 660 with modern oils but the proof is in the pudding.
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As I have stated before, I use between 25 :`1 but generally 32 :1 as I don't give a stuff how much the oil costs as it is cheap insurance compared to repair costs.
I have always said , don't grease a dozers hubs / rollers etc and see how long the components last. Grease is such a cheap anti wear component , just like oil.
 
sun64 said:
As I have stated before, I use between 25 :`1 but generally 32 :1 as I don't give a stuff how much the oil costs as it is cheap insurance compared to repair costs.
I have always said , don't grease a dozers hubs / rollers etc and see how long the components last. Grease is such a cheap anti wear component , just like oil.
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I agree. If it doesn't foul your plug up then it's not really doing any harm. I've been flamed before because I run 25-30:1 in my 3120. Normally by people who put 5 hours on a saw per year.
Husqvarna recommend 25:1 and I'm pretty sure they'd know what they're talking about considering they designed and made the thing :) In fact one of the Husky manuals I've got in the shed states 25:1 in all Husky saws above 85cc.
 
MCW said:
I agree. If it doesn't foul your plug up then it's not really doing any harm. I've been flamed before because I run 25-30:1 in my 3120. Normally by people who put 5 hours on a saw per year.
Husqvarna recommend 25:1 and I'm pretty sure they'd know what they're talking about considering they designed and made the thing :) In fact one of the Husky manuals I've got in the shed states 25:1 in all Husky saws above 85cc.
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Yeah, I have had a look at my plugs and providing the tune is ok, never had an issue with fouling, like I said, tune it up.
But generally 32:1 but if its a stinking hot day and I give the saw a flogging then I add a little more.
Don't know if the temperature up here has anything to do with it but some guys down south recon their saws will foul at that ratio.
Again as you have stated Matt, larger saws I recon cope better with a bit more oil.
 
sun64 said:
Yeah, I have had a look at my plugs and providing the tune is ok, never had an issue with fouling, like I said, tune it up.
But generally 32:1 but if its a stinking hot day and I give the saw a flogging then I add a little more.
Don't know if the temperature up here has anything to do with it but some guys down south recon their saws will foul at that ratio.
Again as you have stated Matt, larger saws I recon cope better with a bit more oil.
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As Rick said it depends a bit on the oil too. The only time I've ever had fouling issues was in my 7900's with that dinosaur Husky Low Smoke gear. I thought it may have just been me but I've heard a few complaints about that oil now.
It probably doesn't smoke because it doesn't burn off, hence the fouling :D
 
Y'all are just crazy...........a saw don't need oil. Hell the only dipstick they got holds the handle. :msp_biggrin:
 
MCW said:
As Rick said it depends a bit on the oil too. The only time I've ever had fouling issues was in my 7900's with that dinosaur Husky Low Smoke gear. I thought it may have just been me but I've heard a few complaints about that oil now.
It probably doesn't smoke because it doesn't burn off, hence the fouling :D
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Yeah, I used to use the low smoke husky oil for my husky pole pruner / brush cutter and 1 metre long hedge trimmer but now I just use Stihl oil .
I liked at what Randy said about the Belray oil but it is expensive , when I have to get it posted up here from down south , but to be honest I haven't tried the bike shops up here for it either.
Stihl oil is easy to get and relatively cheap for me and I have no problems with it or the fumes from it.
 
Mastermind said:
Y'all are just crazy...........a saw don't need oil. Hell the only dipstick they got holds the handle. :msp_biggrin:
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Funny you should say that coming from someone who makes a living repairing / modifying chain saws.
Trying to drum up a little bit of extra business Randy ?:hmm3grin2orange:
 

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