Texas Tree Monkey Man

[masiman]

There is no way to retrieve a running bowline from the ground. That is why Dan is recommending bringing a secondary climbing system to work and descend on or trunk tie the bowline.

I guess alternatively you could tie your throw line to the running bowline to act as the retrieving end of the setup.

I'm like Adkpk, I only have one climbing line. I should have a second one sometime this year.

 

[Slvrmple72]

There is no way to retrieve a running bowline from the ground. That is why Dan is recommending bringing a secondary climbing system to work and descend on or trunk tie the bowline.

I have never used a butterfly for SRT. Not sure how it works doing SRT but it is a great mid line knot that can be untied easily after being heavily loaded. I used to use it all the time until I went using blocks and pulleys.

Actually you are wrong. I have tied my throwline to the loop of the running bowline, descended on an 8 and then tugged the whole thing loose and pulled it down with said throwline.

As far as retrieving your cs you can put a knot in the line to keep it from sliding through the cs and instead it will pull it out of the crotch. Proper crotch selection being the most critical thing to consider!

 

[tree md]

Actually you are wrong. I have tied my throwline to the loop of the running bowline, descended on an 8 and then tugged the whole thing loose and pulled it down with said throwline.

As far as retrieving your cs you can put a knot in the line to keep it from sliding through the cs and instead it will pull it out of the crotch. Proper crotch selection being the most critical thing to consider!

I stand corrected. Pretty slick idea using the throw line to retrieve your bowline.

 

[Slvrmple72]

The real challenge with all of the tricks you learn is knowing what trick to use and when. Kinda like the saws you collect. I love running my 88 but only when the big wood demands it. I enjoy the mental challenge of treework, like when you cut your line and now have to figure out a solution to get down that last 25' quickly cuz you also cut yourself so you tie into the end of the rigging line and have the groundies lower you on the portawrap. So now you have a short piece of rope that is perfect for short little pruning jobs... once the hand heals up! LOL!

Watching the TTM setup has me wondering how I can make a setup using my two petzl (l and r ) ascenders that will work the same way. Nice video thanks for sharing, I repped ya for it!

 

[tree md]

The real challenge with all of the tricks you learn is knowing what trick to use and when. Kinda like the saws you collect. I love running my 88 but only when the big wood demands it. I enjoy the mental challenge of treework, like when you cut your line and now have to figure out a solution to get down that last 25' quickly cuz you also cut yourself so you tie into the end of the rigging line and have the groundies lower you on the portawrap. So now you have a short piece of rope that is perfect for short little pruning jobs... once the hand heals up! LOL!

Watching the TTM setup has me wondering how I can make a setup using my two petzl (l and r ) ascenders that will work the same way. Nice video thanks for sharing, I repped ya for it!

Luckily I have never been cut seriously with a saw (knock on wood). The onetime I did get seriously hurt on the job I didn't have to figure out how to get down, by the time I knew I was hurt I was already there. In a hurry like...

Sometimes I'll take a break then have my guys haul me up on my block and rigging line when I go back to work.

LOL, I am figuring out a way to make a system out of my ascenders as well. I'd like to go with a Mitchell system but I wouldn't have to buy much to have a working tree frog system. Prolly give that a try and see how it works for me.

 

[jefflovstrom]

Running bowline, I believe. I don't tie many bowlines since I don't rig much. I should have used a butterfly. Does anybody have a good pic of a well set running bowline?



I like it better this way. I did tail up the rope just in case I didn't think something out well enough. (I did totally plan out the climb in my head before hand, the ascent, a nap at top which I didn't need because the ascent was so easy. Re-string and belay on the eight. I did forget the prusik loop for a backup to the 8 but had a split tail with me as always and used that as the backup. I had a walkie talkie with me just in case I got stuck.) Two ropes would have been ideal but I only had one with me. If I had two ropes I think I would have kept going to the top. It was a perfect day for a climb.

On a more difficult climb I would use a trunk tied rope. Meaning a tree I couldn't get a straight line to a limb on. But of course I would need two ropes for that setup.

Hi Adkpk, My name is Jeff, I saw your knot as a running bowline. Can I ask you if you are left-handed?
Jeff

 

[Adkpk]

Hi Adkpk, My name is Jeff, I saw your knot as a running bowline. Can I ask you if you are left-handed?
Jeff

Yes Jeff I am a lefty. What gave it away?

Wait a minute. I write left. Throw right. I use a fork with my left. And I shot a hockey puck righty.

 

[jefflovstrom]

I knew, been climbing since Jimmy Carter. Now I can hire and train. You are good on that knot but I think when I passed the Treeworker cert in 1992, the bowline had to be tied the way a right-handed guy would and it threw some guys off. I had a good friend (rest his soul ) that was left-handed and had a difficult time learning the knot in reverse. To me it was sad. Oh well, I just wanted to say I saw your left-handed running bowline and more pics of other left-handed knots could usefully to expand the topic of knots. Dang, wrote to much, huh?
Jeff

 

[jefflovstrom]

I have a question, how do you get the cambium saver or bowline out after repelling down? I'm old school but want to learn some of the new ways.



you can put all the weight in the world on a properly tied bowline and it will untie with ease, I don't know about the butterfly, I don't use it.

Hey Treeman, Don't get mad, but if you use a cambium saver, you know how to retrieve it!
Jeff, just being nice.

 

[Rftreeman]

Hey Treeman, Don't get mad, but if you use a cambium saver, you know how to retrieve it!
Jeff, just being nice.

I don't use one so that's why I asked. Can you tell me how to retrieve it?

 

[Adkpk]

I knew, been climbing since Jimmy Carter. Now I can hire and train. You are good on that knot but I think when I passed the Treeworker cert in 1992, the bowline had to be tied the way a right-handed guy would and it threw some guys off. I had a good friend (rest his soul ) that was left-handed and had a difficult time learning the knot in reverse. To me it was sad. Oh well, I just wanted to say I saw your left-handed running bowline and more pics of other left-handed knots could usefully to expand the topic of knots. Dang, wrote to much, huh?
Jeff

Actually you should start a thread on the subject. You got my interest.

It is actually a help to be made aware of starting the knot in my left or right hand. I realize now that you mentioned it, I have a problem with instinctively tying a bowline. It could be that sometimes I start it without being aware of what hand I am tying it with and therefore getting it wrong a few times before getting it right.

You earned your rep.

 

[tree md]

I don't use one so that's why I asked. Can you tell me how to retrieve it?

Just tie a knot in the end of your rope and it will come out with the rope when you pull it out of the tree.

 

[Adkpk]

I don't use one so that's why I asked. Can you tell me how to retrieve it?

A cambium save has a big and small ring. A figure 8 knot fits through the big ring but not the small. Pull your rope through the big ring and then pull the cambium saver off the branch and through the rest of the tree with the knot stuck in the small ring.

 

[Rftreeman]

Actually you are wrong. I have tied my throwline to the loop of the running bowline, descended on an 8 and then tugged the whole thing loose and pulled it down with said throwline.

Now that I think of it I have seen something simlar to this, a fella I use to work with used his throw line to install a friction saver (the one with the steel rings on the ends) and his rope then he used the throw line to remove it all after he foot locked up with a prusiks and did his work and came back down but this had slipped my mind (long story) until you refreshed it.

 

[jefflovstrom]

I don't use one so that's why I asked. Can you tell me how to retrieve it?

Yup= One ring is smaller than the other. A small knot will pass thru the larger eye but not thru the smaller eye. Flip and pull.
Jeff, got it?

 

[jefflovstrom]

Sorry Adkpk , It may be tough, but you should try to try to tie right-handed. Unfair maybe, but physics apply.
Jeff

 

[Ghillie]

The real challenge with all of the tricks you learn is knowing what trick to use and when. Kinda like the saws you collect. I love running my 88 but only when the big wood demands it. I enjoy the mental challenge of treework, like when you cut your line and now have to figure out a solution to get down that last 25' quickly cuz you also cut yourself so you tie into the end of the rigging line and have the groundies lower you on the portawrap. So now you have a short piece of rope that is perfect for short little pruning jobs... once the hand heals up! LOL!

Watching the TTM setup has me wondering how I can make a setup using my two petzl (l and r ) ascenders that will work the same way. Nice video thanks for sharing, I repped ya for it!

I am working on setting up my petzl ascenders also. I have a croll and two gibbs to assist also.

Start a thread if you come up with something.

I will probably wait untill my new harness and gear comes in first of the week before I try any more setups.

 

[Ghillie]

A cambium save has a big and small ring. A figure 8 knot fits through the big ring but not the small. Pull your rope through the big ring and then pull the cambium saver off the branch and through the rest of the tree with the knot stuck in the small ring.

A you talking about a friction saver (webbing) or cambium saver (leather tube)?

 

[Blakesmaster]

They're talking about the frictions saver, gillie. I used mine for months just tying a 8 in the end of my climbing line to pull it out without problems. Works great till it gets jammed that first time and you have to set another line and go up the tree again. I took some advice from Beranek and now stick a brass clip through the end of my climbing line to remove my friction saver.

 

[Ghillie]

They're talking about the frictions saver, gillie. I used mine for months just tying a 8 in the end of my climbing line to pull it out without problems. Works great till it gets jammed that first time and you have to set another line and go up the tree again. I took some advice from Beranek and now stick a brass clip through the end of my climbing line to remove my friction saver.

That's what I thought. I just wanted to make sure. I hadn't heard that style called cambium saver untill later last night when I saw one made of XTC rope by Anchor Bridge Ropeworks.

Just making sure I haven't missed something new to the market.... I hate to be the last kid on the block with the newest toy!!!