the all aussie dribble thread!

[chippy]

The problem is when guns are so freely available nut jobs are bound to get there hands on them.

Even in this country we still have far too many people being killed or murdered by guns legally owned...it's just madness that it is allowed to continue.

 

[KiwiBro]

The problem is when guns are so freely available nut jobs are bound to get there hands on them.

Even in this country we still have far too many people being killed or murdered by guns legally owned...it's just madness that it is allowed to continue.

What can be done about it though without taking a sledgehammer to a nut and impacting all the innocent, sane, and sensible legal owners? Every year here, heck, it's probably on average well less than that, a hunter is killed by another hunter, by mistake. Sure, it's not premeditated, nor a crime spree killing dozens of people, but I don't think the families of the deceased feel any less a loss.

I can't see how we could possibly guard against good people making bad decisions that have fatal consequences. The end result is the same, someone dies, whether the person pulling the trigger is a bonafide nutjob or not. Quite a vexed issue.

 

[huntingrob]

the majority of firearms related deaths in this country are from unlicensed, unregistered illegal guns though, so even banning guns altogether would make little or no difference. just like making drugs illegal. it doesn't stop people dying from drug related deaths.

 

[weedkilla]

the majority of firearms related deaths in this country are from unlicensed, unregistered illegal guns though, so even banning guns altogether would make little or no difference. just like making drugs illegal. it doesn't stop people dying from drug related deaths.

That's probably a pretty good example - just imagine how many people would get hurt with ******, backyard, homemade firearms. Can you imagine the quality of weapons and ammo if it was totally under the control of bikies, mafia and Asian gangs?

 

[chippy]

What can be done about it though without taking a sledgehammer to a nut and impacting all the innocent, sane, and sensible legal owners? Every year here, heck, it's probably on average well less than that, a hunter is killed by another hunter, by mistake. Sure, it's not premeditated, nor a crime spree killing dozens of people, but I don't think the families of the deceased feel any less a loss.

I can't see how we could possibly guard against good people making bad decisions that have fatal consequences. The end result is the same, someone dies, whether the person pulling the trigger is a bonafide nutjob or not. Quite a vexed issue.

You nailed it in the first paragraph...there in lies the problem.

Death by accident or misadventure is not a gun problem per se.

Quoting figures showing the vast magority of murders are carried out by illegal guns shows we have a serious gun problem....the vast magority of those illegal guns were legal at some point and only reinforces the argument to rid the nation of them.

One death by a gun involving criminal activity is one too many....how to fix that problem I do not know but I do know that the more guns we have in the hands of the general populace the bigger the problem becomes.

 

[huntingrob]

You nailed it in the first paragraph...there in lies the problem.

Death by accident or misadventure is not a gun problem per se.

Quoting figures showing the vast magority of murders are carried out by illegal guns shows we have a serious gun problem....the vast magority of those illegal guns were legal at some point and only reinforces the argument to rid the nation of them.

One death by a gun involving criminal activity is one too many....how to fix that problem I do not know but I do know that the more guns we have in the hands of the general populace the bigger the problem becomes.

I think you'll find a lot more come into this country through the back door than the small amount that are stolen from honest people. [emoji6]

 

[chippy]

I think you'll find a lot more come into this country through the back door than the small amount that are stolen from honest people. [emoji6]

Where did you get this information OB1?

What is your source?

 

[weedkilla]

Just read this article every time you hear somebody talk about gun control - or similarly emotive issue.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-powerful-people-trick-you-into-hating-underdogs/

 

[Lisnm8]

I am getting over this nanny state *****, they ream the everyday guy for everything and yet a guy high on ice, Rams his car head on into a innocent couple, gets out bashes them. She was pregnant hit her in the stomach then bashed cops(took 6 of them to subdue him) and only gets a 200 days jail. Wtf is wrong with our system when it's not handing out penalties the community agree with. That's were the problem lies. The courts, feel sorry the the cops who constantly arrest these crims to only have to arrest them over and over.

 

[huntingrob]

Where did you get this information OB1?

What is your source?

I don't really have one as such, just what I picked up talking to a few copper mates of mine. If you've got something that proves otherwise I'd be happy to have a look. I wasn't having a go at you, just sick of seeing law abiding citizens cop an absolute ear bashing every time some loony shoots someone. I don't hear anyone calling for a ban on cars each time someone gets killed in a car accident. I admit full well there's a problem, they're just barking up the wrong tree. [emoji2]

 

[huntingrob]

I am getting over this nanny state *****, they ream the everyday guy for everything and yet a guy high on ice, Rams his car head on into a innocent couple, gets out bashes them. She was pregnant hit her in the stomach then bashed cops(took 6 of them to subdue him) and only gets a 200 days jail. Wtf is wrong with our system when it's not handing out penalties the community agree with. That's were the problem lies. The courts, feel sorry the the cops who constantly arrest these crims to only have to arrest them over and over.

100% mate, couldn't agree more!

 

[Lisnm8]

Where did you get this information OB1?

What is your source?

They recently raided a bikie clubhouse in Melbourne and found firearms that aren't available to the general public, ie ak"s etc etc so they've come in through the back door somehow

 

[MCW]

You nailed it in the first paragraph...there in lies the problem.

Death by accident or misadventure is not a gun problem per se.

Quoting figures showing the vast magority of murders are carried out by illegal guns shows we have a serious gun problem....the vast magority of those illegal guns were legal at some point and only reinforces the argument to rid the nation of them.

One death by a gun involving criminal activity is one too many....how to fix that problem I do not know but I do know that the more guns we have in the hands of the general populace the bigger the problem becomes.

Sounds like you've been listening to the Greens without seeing the results of the recent senate inquiry. I have no doubt that there are unregistered firearms used by criminals that were once legally owned but in saying that numerous guns picked up by police raids etc were either never sold here or their serial numbers are showing that they were never legally imported to Australia. If we take Western Sydney out of Australia's shooting death numbers then all of a sudden we look better than the statistics would suggest. Arguing that the more firearms in society equates to more deaths by firearms doesn't stack up.
In saying that though I have no problem with stricter licencing requirements in Australia. There are licenced firearm owners in Australia that quite frankly shouldn't own guns but the current laws dictate that until a criminal offence occurs nothing can be done about it. The types of firearms that people are attracted to also tells me the sort of ******** that they are. It's a complex issue though that won't be solved by having authorities clamp down on someone like myself. Globally Australia's numbers stack up fine and there is no evidence to show that tighter laws will lower Australia's firearm death numbers. Unless you listen to the Greens, then we're all mass murderers.

 

[chippy]

I don't really have one as such, just what I picked up talking to a few copper mates of mine. If you've got something that proves otherwise I'd be happy to have a look. I wasn't having a go at you, just sick of seeing law abiding citizens cop an absolute ear bashing every time some loony shoots someone. I don't hear anyone calling for a ban on cars each time someone gets killed in a car accident. I admit full well there's a problem, they're just barking up the wrong tree. [emoji2]

Will do some research on this this weekend and see what I can find and post it up here....as yet I'm not sure what exactly I will find but it is my view that the best source of illegally obtained firearms is from the legal pool of them that is available....will have to research that some more.

 

[huntingrob]

Sounds like you've been listening to the Greens without seeing the results of the recent senate inquiry. I have no doubt that there are unregistered firearms used by criminals that were once legally owned but in saying that numerous guns picked up by police raids etc were either never sold here or their serial numbers are showing that they were never legally imported to Australia. If we take Western Sydney out of Australia's shooting death numbers then all of a sudden we look better than the statistics would suggest. Arguing that the more firearms in society equates to more deaths by firearms doesn't stack up.
In saying that though I have no problem with stricter licencing requirements in Australia. There are licenced firearm owners in Australia that quite frankly shouldn't own guns but the current laws dictate that until a criminal offence occurs nothing can be done about it. The types of firearms that people are attracted to also tells me the sort of ******** that they are. It's a complex issue though that won't be solved by having authorities clamp down on someone like myself. Globally Australia's numbers stack up fine and there is no evidence to price that tighter laws will lower Australia's firearm death numbers. Unless you listen to the Greens, then we're all mass murderers.

Well said matt.

 

[chippy]

Sounds like you've been listening to the Greens without seeing the results of the recent senate inquiry. I have no doubt that there are unregistered firearms used by criminals that were once legally owned but in saying that numerous guns picked up by police raids etc were either never sold here or their serial numbers are showing that they were never legally imported to Australia. If we take Western Sydney out of Australia's shooting death numbers then all of a sudden we look better than the statistics would suggest. Arguing that the more firearms in society equates to more deaths by firearms doesn't stack up.
In saying that though I have no problem with stricter licencing requirements in Australia. There are licenced firearm owners in Australia that quite frankly shouldn't own guns but the current laws dictate that until a criminal offence occurs nothing can be done about it. The types of firearms that people are attracted to also tells me the sort of ******** that they are. It's a complex issue though that won't be solved by having authorities clamp down on someone like myself. Globally Australia's numbers stack up fine and there is no evidence to show that tighter laws will lower Australia's firearm death numbers. Unless you listen to the Greens, then we're all mass murderers.

I completely agree with you Matt...but I am offended that you would think I have been listening to the Greens too much....

Switzerland does have the highest firearm ownership but doesn't have the problems on the scale many other countries do...the reasons are complex 9bviously

 

[Lisnm8]

Unfortunately looks like I was correct their pushing to reclassify lever actions!!! Oh well I'll just get the circuit judge revolver!!! Till they reclassify that to.

 

[chippy]

Many years ago I rang the gun register here in Victoria as I had so many guns I wasn't sure which ones I'd registered, which ones I hadn't plus a few that could have landed me a jail term if I was found to be in possession of them. One of my best mates was a gun dealer back then and when the new laws came in he offloaded his entire collection of questionable items onto me....

The gun register here in Victoria was a single hard drive on a single computer...with no back up..the had drive had broken and the data was corrupted....forensic efforts were made to recover it, which they did but only about 10% of it and even then they knew that that 10% was corrupted also, so I never bothered to reregister any of them and the police and government had no idea who owned what in this state....

When the last buy back came round I took my enormous stash of questionable items to them and was paid about a years salary for them, no questions asked. They didn't even ask my name. I was concerned of the possibility of being arrested on the spot but was reassured no problem.....glad I did that.

 

[460cixy]

I completely agree with you Matt...but I am offended that you would think I have been listening to the Greens too much....

Switzerland does have the highest firearm ownership but doesn't have the problems on the scale many other countries do...the reasons are complex 9bviously

Its because its the same ******** that comes from David shittits and Lee the lesbian Rhiannon almost word for word

 

[Lisnm8]

Many years ago I rang the gun register here in Victoria as I had so many guns I wasn't sure which ones I'd registered, which ones I hadn't plus a few that could have landed me a jail term if I was found to be in possession of them. One of my best mates was a gun dealer back then and when the new laws came in he offloaded his entire collection of questionable items onto me....

The gun register here in Victoria was a single hard drive on a single computer...with no back up..the had drive had broken and the data was corrupted....forensic efforts were made to recover it, which they did but only about 10% of it and even then they knew that that 10% was corrupted also, so I never bothered to reregister any of them and the police and government had no idea who owned what in this state....

When the last buy back came round I took my enormous stash of questionable items to them and was paid about a years salary for them, no questions asked. They didn't even ask my name. I was concerned of the possibility of being arrested on the spot but was reassured no problem.....glad I did that.

Not much has changed in regards to Victoria's firearms and licensing divisions competence. Very strong rumours have been circling for 2 or so years the database was hacked and that's the reason for such targeted thefts. No body will admit it from the cops publicly however. But ask them privately and it's a different story.