The new 441 vs 460

[STIHLTHEDEERE]

hey peckerhead. commercial tree care and climbing forum. not firewood forum.

COMMERCIAL TREE CARE and CLIMBING FORUM.


go back to the other side of the site. neither of you two picklesniffers should be on this forum.


and actually it was crane and i doing our thing. not me and crane, you idiot. i bet you voted for obama too, didnt ya.

you ready for me to tie those ears up yet? whatever the vid was titled,it was rediculus,and you are too.... hey everyone,look at me,i can swing from tree,weeee.....lol

 

[treeclimber101]

the answer is the 460 magnum. stud saw. i am climbing with a 3/4 wrap 25in bar 460 on the daily. i am really enjoying my time with that saw.

personally i would rather take a dump on the 441 than run it.

The only stud you know is the one in your a#s , The 441 is a nice machine more like a husky now and the 460 still a great machine but the 441 is no joke either , and I know this cause I gots me 2 460's and a spankin new 441 beotch....

 

[tree md]

The only stud you know is the one in your a#s , The 441 is a nice machine more like a husky now and the 460 still a great machine but the 441 is no joke either , and I know this cause I gots me 2 460's and a spankin new 441 beotch....

Then you know that there is no way that the 441 will run with the 460. I have run them side by side and there is no comparison.

 

[treeclimber101]

Then you know that there is no way that the 441 will run with the 460. I have run them side by side and there is no comparison.

Theres a huge difference in a tree with the 441 , its just much more comfortable and the sacrifice in power is much easier to deal with than sore forearms from a heavier saw , but your right there is a power difference that is noticeable , but to say that you wouldn't wipe your a#s with it is silly ..If they all ran the same than there would only be one model right ..

 

[tree md]

Theres a huge difference in a tree with the 441 , its just much more comfortable and the sacrifice in power is much easier to deal with than sore forearms from a heavier saw , but your right there is a power difference that is noticeable , but to say that you wouldn't wipe your a#s with it is silly ..If they all ran the same than there would only be one model right ..

Per Stihl Catalog:

MS441 14.6 pounds 70.7cc

MS460 14.6 pounds 76.5cc

They weigh the exact same Eddie.

Now the 044/440's were a pound or two lighter. That's what I like about them but you are getting no gain by using a 441 in the tree. And the only people this would matter to is the ones who have to use them in the tree on a daily basis.

 

[treeclimber101]

hey peckerhead. commercial tree care and climbing forum. not firewood forum.

COMMERCIAL TREE CARE and CLIMBING FORUM.


go back to the other side of the site. neither of you two picklesniffers should be on this forum.


and actually it was crane and i doing our thing. not me and crane, you idiot. i bet you voted for obama too, didnt ya.

I VOTED FOR OBAMA , ha ha now what , picklesniffer thats a funny one ...

 

[treeclimber101]

Per Stihl Catalog:

MS441 14.6 pounds 70.7cc

MS460 14.6 pounds 76.5cc

They weigh the exact same Eddie.

Now the 044/440's were a pound or two lighter. That's what I like about them but you are getting no gain by using a 441 in the tree. And the only people this would matter to is the ones who have to use them in the tree on a daily basis.

ahh like me I ran three tanks through it after lunch today , as a matter of fact it'll probably be junk this time next year as much as we run it and believe me theres a huge difference , ya know how I know cause there fighting over it with two or three other new saws right along side of it in the trailer ..

 

[treeclimber101]

hey uh,any one wanna let brain surgeon know how we get wood in a pile??? we fall trees,we cut trees.... i choose to split my wood w/a maul because i am not afraid to work. besides that it keeps me in good shape,so i can take loud mouth little punks like you,and tie their ears over their mouth so they are quiet....he he

YOU ARE WORTHY PLEASE DON"T LEAVE

 

[tree md]

Yeah, I agree. I appreciate anyone who has saw experience. I certainly don't know it all when it comes to saws. But only a climber is going to be able to appreciate a pound or two of difference in the tree. On the ground, it's not enough to even matter but when you have to carry one around with you in the tree all day it makes a huge difference.

 

[treeclimber101]

Yeah, I agree. I appreciate anyone who has saw experience. I certainly don't know it all when it comes to saws. But only a climber is going to be able to appreciate a pound or two of difference in the tree. On the ground, it's not enough to even matter but when you have to carry one around with you in the tree all day it makes a huge difference.

I swear that when its all hands on deck the saws are floating around with everyone taking turns running whatever closer with gas in it if ya know what I mean , I'll bust out my baby when I"m on the ground and everyone knows not even too touch it cause its the only thing sacred to me and that's the first 66 that I bought 13yrs ago and I used to armorall tha saw cause 850.00 was a huge nut for me to crack at 21 yrs old for a saw ...Three healycoils and two heads and so many chains and sprockets that I cannot even count ... I have bought more than 35,000.00 in saws and parts in the last five yrs and I will not retire or replace that saw ever.. I know that cause the other day I saw a guy get thrown outta the stihl store and he claimed to have spent more 100k on ten yrs there and actually he wasn't far off at 75k lol, so after I asked the owner what my number was

 

[STIHLTHEDEERE]

ok so now you are going after all the other full timers on this site?

and just so i can continue pointing out how stupid you are......its RIDICULOUS not rediculus.


believe me putz. consider yourself lucky you got 24 hours of driving between us. it would be my pleasure to tune you up.

not going after anyone,i just love listening to a "PRO" blow.... and by the way, you are unlucky,cause i am headed to your neck of the woods in a couple of weeks. so i will be looking for that tune up.....he he

 

[treeclimber101]

ok so now you are going after all the other full timers on this site?

And just so i can continue pointing out how stupid you are......its ridiculous not rediculus.


Believe me putz. Consider yourself lucky you got 24 hours of driving between us. It would be my pleasure to tune you up.

ohhh snap

 

[tree md]

I usually figure what saw I am going to be able to get away with in the tree, put a good edge on it and tell the guys hands off. If I can get away with the 361 great, if not I'll use the 044. I will sharpen one or the other for them too but when I get to the large cuts I want a sharp chain. I don't want to take a chance on having to use a saw that one of them has hit the dirt with or something like that. That really ruins my day if you know what I mean. I sharpen saws for everyone but I pick the one I am using for the day and I don't like for anyone else to touch it. And of course no one is to ever touch my 200.

 

[Thillmaine1]

climber

Im with OD. Unless you are a tree climber, as in that is what you do day in and day out, theny ou cant appreciate the difference even half a pound can make. I used to t ocrane work every day and finding the saw that is perfect is important. You want enough bar to make the cut straight through (or close to it) but you dont want to have 20 lbs hanging off your side for 10 hours. Changing saws in the tree is just a pain in the ass when your doing crane work so you have to find the ultimate set up based on the all the variables for that particular job. I started with a 440 with a 20 inch bAR (21 ton crane, with 102' of stick) and eventually switched to the 460 witha 26 inch. With that saw I could make every cut, except maybe the final log from time to time, with ease.
If your split firewood then does the weight matter? Your just carry it around on the ground. You arent competing with tight spaces, big swinging wood and a number of other variables. If i was a ground pounder then I could care less about weight.

 

[STIHLTHEDEERE]

look, i am not doubting noticing a couple pounds in a tree. but i own both of these saws,and i have dynoed both saws. 25" bar and there is no noticable difference. truth be known a 441 will make an honest 5.8 hp on the dyno,and makes that power quicker and longer through the powerband. the strato design is a heavier one no doubt,but it makes more torque, period. thats is why it will run so close to a 460. 461 saws will be out in a year or so,they will be up on power AND weight. then there will be a noticable difference,like the 440/460. the 441 design is here to stay like it or not

 

[TreeClimber57]

Per Stihl Catalog:

MS441 14.6 pounds 70.7cc

MS460 14.6 pounds 76.5cc

They weigh the exact same Eddie..

For some reason our Cdn Web site shows them at 14.5 lbs ..
5.6hp for 441 and 6.0hp for 460

But point is taken.. they are same weight with almost 1/2 hp more for 460.

Realistically they are both good saws.. each to their own I guess. Never will win this one... each has their own opinion and on mid-size bars my experience tells me they are close.

I don't have a 460 right now.. but have in past. Do have 441 and then jump to 660.

But.. if I were to pick then the 460 will whip the 441 on a longer bar any day. But there is a bit of a price difference between the two, at least here in Canada...

 

[TreeClimber57]

Yeah, I agree. I appreciate anyone who has saw experience. I certainly don't know it all when it comes to saws. But only a climber is going to be able to appreciate a pound or two of difference in the tree. On the ground, it's not enough to even matter but when you have to carry one around with you in the tree all day it makes a huge difference.

Yep.. that is why my 200T is my favourite, followed by my 361.

 

[oldirty]

not going after anyone,i just love listening to a "PRO" blow.... and by the way, you are unlucky,cause i am headed to your neck of the woods in a couple of weeks. so i will be looking for that tune up.....he he

republic rd. billerica mass.

pull into the parking lot right after the logpile.

we'll shut the gate after you get here and discuss a few things.

 

[squad143]

I'll take the 460.

- There's no replacement for displacement.

 

[Nailsbeats]

460 wrap with 28" bar is my all around. I find the extra weight and stability of the wrap and powerhead are great in the tree for those meat and potato cuts, smooths it out instead of a light saw chatering around in the Red Oak, lol. All my saws are muffler modded with some nice easy gains over stock.

There's no replacement for the proper placement of displacement. Sorry Squad, just had to throw out my version, lol.