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All of this banter is getting to be something else. On one side, we have the dealers who think that their customers are idiots. On the other hand we have the customers (the end consumers) who think that their dealers are idiots. What we need to do is pair up the idiots with the idiots and the good ones with the good ones. :D
 
All of this banter is getting to be something else. On one side, we have the dealers who think that their customers are idiots. On the other hand we have the customers (the end consumers) who think that their dealers are idiots. What we need to do is pair up the idiots with the idiots and the good ones with the good ones. :D

That would be great!!!
 
Thall, if you cant compete adapt till you can........

Thats true to a degree Ben. Its impossible to adapt and compete with someone that can sell what your selling at less than what you pay for it. If I had knock 11.00 off that bar the man wanted in order to get the sale I would have went in the hole, he isn't worth losing money over. He saved a few bucks but he had to pay shipping and wait a few days to get his bar so as to who won the ELCHEAPO battle I say I did. I sold many more bars after he left the building, at full price of course, most people get what they want and not try to jew ya over it.


If your talking about others adapting to compete with Bailey's I don't know anything about that. Seems Husqvarna themselves are taking up that issue among themselves. Corporate will decide how their products are sold, not you, not me, not Baileys or the dealers. I'm sure they will work it out for everyone...
 
The folks at Baileys are indeed reputable people, who are well liked by their customers. But just because they are good guys doesn't mean that they aren't a major part of this problem.
Whose problem?

For me, Bailey's was the solution.
My local saw shop doesn't even have the right size fuel line and charges $6 to sharpen a chain.
 
. Seems Husqvarna themselves are taking up that issue among themselves. Corporate will decide how their products are sold, not you, not me, not Baileys or the dealers. I'm sure they will work it out for everyone...

You will also see better Quality saws coming from them. ;)
 
You will also see better Quality saws coming from them. ;)


Your most likely right and thats great. Stiff competition brings out the best, its a winner for who, you the buyer so whats all the beef about???, oh its that price thing and having to drive to the dealer, awwwwwww shucks, deal with it, Stihl customers have for ages and look where Stihl is, bingo...
 
Manual love to fuss with ya but

I'm heading up to wood pile and play with Big John(Stihl 880) and Bad Bob,(Dolmar 7900). Yeah yeah , both German saws, bite me!!!,LOLOL See ya in abit....
 
Your most likely right and thats great. Stiff competition brings out the best, its a winner for who, you the buyer so whats all the beef about???, oh its that price thing and having to drive to the dealer, awwwwwww shucks, deal with it, Stihl customers have for ages and look where Stihl is, bingo...

Thats right, There a Husky dealer coming your way, Get ready to share the blankets. LOL
 
All of this banter is getting to be something else. On one side, we have the dealers who think that their customers are idiots. On the other hand we have the customers (the end consumers) who think that their dealers are idiots. What we need to do is pair up the idiots with the idiots and the good ones with the good ones. :D

Dammit boy! From my limited sales experience (2 years as a Snap-on Tool Trucker, 99-00) You Nailed it! Bravo!!

I grew fond of most of my customers though... My job was to keep them in good stuff that made it easier for them to do their job easier or faster (sell 'solutions') or enable them to take on other jobs they may had been otherwise passing up. Also part of the 'deal' was to gleefully repair/warranty all sorts of gooned up stuff for anybody. "Here's mah great Grampy's 1/4" ratchet, needs a kit I declare." Or the brute in the shop that rings off a chrome 1/2>3/8 adapter weekly... Those were sales opportunities, not pains in the asterisks.

The best sales deals involve a happy manufacturer selling stuff to a happy supplier selling to a happy retailer selling to a happy customer. Some folks deserve 'box store' service after the sale... and also one never knows when a 'red carpet' customer is gonna stumble in, needing some honest guidance.
 
Originally Posted by spike60
The folks at Baileys are indeed reputable people, who are well liked by their customers. But just because they are good guys doesn't mean that they aren't a major part of this problem.

Whose problem?

For me, Bailey's was the solution.
My local saw shop doesn't even have the right size fuel line and charges $6 to sharpen a chain.

Even if it isn't THE solution, it is A solution. Options, that is to say competition, only serves to improve the efficiency in the market, to reward efficient operations that provide a valuable product or service. If we, the consumer, lose the option to buy our saws online or by mail-order, WE are the ones who lose in this scenario.

Sure, I know Stihl has had this in-store-only policy forever. But it operated with the consumer aware that if he wanted to NOT be stuck having to transact all transactions through a dealer, he could simply choose another brand of equivilent quality that he could get online, by mail-order, or on eBay.


They shouldn't Ben, your right. However you know what male loins do to cubs don't you, they kill them, thats the problem. Look at Baileys as the big male lion and the rest of the dealers as the cubs getting killed off. Male lion is soon on his own and gone. I don't think Bailey's can support the Husqvarna on its sales alone. I have seen they're catalog, website and heard nothing but good things about them though. In fact they actually cost me a bar sale few weeks ago. The man tells me I can get a Oregon bar for 11.00 less at Baileys. I guess he ordered it too because I refuse to drop one penny after he said that. He left, I sold several bars throughout the day, no skin off my back....

Come on, it is too skin off your back and you're mad as hell. You are so mad as to be blinded to the hypocracy of your statement: you don't like the fact that there is competition to your business model, so you want it stamped out so your model can continue to thrive. How is that fair? You complain about Bailey's being able to out-compete with you on price, so you want their ability to sell products outside of their own backyard removed so you don't have to compete with them. I understand how it may help your bottom line, but I don't see how it is a logically defensible position to adopt.


Listen, online sales and the local dealer compete on different strengths. When I need a part, or a whole saw, RIGHT NOW, the dealer has the edge and there is no way that the online retailer can compete. But when I'm sitting at my desk on a Tuesday afternoon and want to buy some saw stuff that I don't need immediately, I like being able to order it online, content to konw that in a couple days it will be sitting on my front porch when I get home from work.

This is especially true if the dealer has to order the item I want. In that case, having to work through a dealer is a total waste - I have to drive down (or call, if the dealer accepts phone orders) to order the item, and then I have to drive down again to pick it up. In this scenario, the dealer hasn't provided me any benefit whatsoever. Yet the pro-dealer-only crowd thinks that I should have to do it this way, even when it is NOT in my interest to.

So, please explain this to me: why the hell shouldn't I be able to have the item just show up at my door if that is how I want to handle the transaction? Why should someone else - Husqvarna, the local dealer, whomever - feel tha they should have the right to make that choice for me?
 
I talked to my local Stihl dealer on Friday. He couldn't confirm that Husky was stopping Internet sales. But he did say that Husky had hired a guy whose job was to rebuild the Husky dealer network. This guy also asked if they would be willing to service equipment sold at a local Tractor Supply Company. That seems to indicate that they may still be selling at some stores. Who knows?
 
you don't like the fact that there is competition to your business model, so you want it stamped out so your model can continue to thrive.
Yep. The only thing I have seen in this thread is a bunch of winers that refuse to adapt.
Baileys and others cleaned their clock. instead of learnign and adapting to market conditions they want to force the market to conform to their out moded, out dated sales model.
 
This guy also asked if they would be willing to service equipment sold at a local Tractor Supply Company. That seems to indicate that they may still be selling at some stores. Who knows?

This will be interesting to find out.

If the goal is to improve the dealer network and the customer's buying experience, then a 100% shift to dealer-only sales would make sense as the most logical way to achieve that goal. But if it is a shift that eliminates online sales and/or shipping, but retains TSC/Lowes/Sears/NorthernTool, then all that is happening is that certain low-margin, efficient retailers are getting screwed, right along with the customers who rely on them.
 
Entitlement?

Who has shown any such thing?

Baileys was never a problem to compete with.

It was Internet sellers that were allowed to make wholesale purchases of large orders for the maximum discount dealer price but did not have to invest anything on the other end in terms of maintaining a large service staff nor have to take product that would not sell.

I TRIED to purchase 56 pieces of saws only and was flat out refused on the East Coast

The company REFUSED my cash I had to play THEIR WAY or the HIGHWAY

I am still driving
 
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I talked to my local Stihl dealer on Friday. He couldn't confirm that Husky was stopping Internet sales. But he did say that Husky had hired a guy whose job was to rebuild the Husky dealer network. This guy also asked if they would be willing to service equipment sold at a local Tractor Supply Company. That seems to indicate that they may still be selling at some stores. Who knows?

You would have assumed that the brilliant minds at U.S. Corporate would have taken into consideration the service aspect problem of dealing with Sears, Lowes, and Tractor Supply before they got into bed with them. It seems to me that all they carried about was total units sold. "Service? We will deal with that later.":popcorn:

(In a way it kind of reminds me of US policy for the invasion of Iraq.)
 

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