this is something i was never taught...

[Burvol]

What are the RMZ setbacks like down there? How many leave trees per acre?

Leave trees?

 

[Bushler]

2/acre. We can flex that though, same with the snag/windfall requirements. My policy is to clean up the ridges and fire breaks, and then leave an acre undisturbed for habitat.

Not sure what RMZ means. We have stream bank set backs and riparian set backs.

Restocking requirements too. Basically we follow the Oregon Forest Practices Act guidlines and policys.

I have a current logging plan filed and a Notification of Operation. I also have a mangagement plan prepared by professional forestors.

I play by the rules.

 

[clearance]

Rmz

RMZ-riparian management zone. Another few letters that really mean, do anything "wrong" and we will fine your azz and shut you down.
The good old days were bad, you know, yarding down creeks and draining engine oil onto the ground, and just leaving equipment were it layed, and huge clearcuts. A little before my time, but it sure must have been fun, before all the freaks got thier way.

 

[Humptulips]

Yea RMV=Riparian Management Zone and Leave trees =wildlife trees.

Here the RMZs are basically 200 feet, each side, on year round streams and less on seasonal. Streams are divided into classes and you can take some trees out of an RMZ depending on how many, how big and what species they are if you hire a guy at an exorbitant price to come out and cruise the RMZ. Kind of like extortion to log your timber. The leave trees used to be 3 then 5 and I think going to 7 depending on when you applied for a cutting permit. Been a while for me so I'm probably behind the times. There is also a max distance between leave trees but you can usually slide on that. Can't get by with just snags for leave trees most of the time either.

I liked the old days when we logged across creeks and had actual clearcuts. I couldn't see how it hurt a thing. Now it only turns into a clearcut after a few good storms. Really hate all those windfallen leave trees. Besides the waste they're hard to walk through when I'm deer hunting.

 

[Bushler]

Hump, sounds similar. What is amazing is how well the trees we planted in the clear cuts have grown. Clear cuts work...and that's well documented.

If I were in charge, (and I should be) we'd go back to yarder logging BIG clear cuts, and harvesting Fed timber on a sustainable yield basis. With emphasis on productivity and efficiency.

I'd put a quick halt to the practice of decommissioning roads too. One of my first moves would be to start building roads into our wilderness areas for fire supression.

I wish they'd put me in charge.

 

[Humptulips]

Hump, sounds similar. What is amazing is how well the trees we planted in the clear cuts have grown. Clear cuts work...and that's well documented.

If I were in charge, (and I should be) we'd go back to yarder logging BIG clear cuts, and harvesting Fed timber on a sustainable yield basis. With emphasis on productivity and efficiency.

I'd put a quick halt to the practice of decommissioning roads too. One of my first moves would be to start building roads into our wilderness areas for fire supression.

I wish they'd put me in charge.

You have my vote for what it's worth!

 

[RandyMac]

RMZ-riparian management zone. Another few letters that really mean, do anything "wrong" and we will fine your azz and shut you down.
The good old days were bad, you know, yarding down creeks and draining engine oil onto the ground, and just leaving equipment were it layed, and huge clearcuts. A little before my time, but it sure must have been fun, before all the freaks got thier way.

Yes, those were the good old days, I saw the last of them. Don't forget high stumps, 18" tops, Doug Firs culled for pitch rings, Cedars left because of some rot, piss firs cut and plowed out of the way, curlycued cables everywhere....some changes were for the good. We won't even get into road and landing construction, it would give SlowP heartburn.
With that said, there was a lot of fun to be had.

 

[Ivan H.]

Hump, sounds similar. What is amazing is how well the trees we planted in the clear cuts have grown. Clear cuts work...and that's well documented.

If I were in charge, (and I should be) we'd go back to yarder logging BIG clear cuts, and harvesting Fed timber on a sustainable yield basis. With emphasis on productivity and efficiency.

I'd put a quick halt to the practice of decommissioning roads too. One of my first moves would be to start building roads into our wilderness areas for fire supression.

I wish they'd put me in charge.

Me to

 

[slowp]

Hump, sounds similar. What is amazing is how well the trees we planted in the clear cuts have grown. Clear cuts work...and that's well documented.

If I were in charge, (and I should be) we'd go back to yarder logging BIG clear cuts, and harvesting Fed timber on a sustainable yield basis. With emphasis on productivity and efficiency.

I'd put a quick halt to the practice of decommissioning roads too. One of my first moves would be to start building roads into our wilderness areas for fire supression.

I wish they'd put me in charge.

I was ranting on about road decommissioning (in the office )yesterday. I got so worked up, and then had a phone call that wasn't nice, and then forgot to fill up with gas, and had to return, and then etc...Just developed a bad mood.
So, I did my productive anger management. After I took care of things on a sale, drove up to a system road that is growing in, and started whacking the alder out of it. My back is sore today, but I feel much better. Yes, we need to cut more, thinnings AND clearcuts. I'd stay out of the creeks cuz they always have steep banks, devils club, and are just nasty!

 

[Bushler]

I'm pretty sure we could set aside the special areas, and set aside the fragile areas, concentrating logging efforts on the Class I-IV sites with mature timber. First I'd like the FS to get their foresters out there and get an accurate cruise and site designation so we'd have a good workable inventory.

Conservation is noble. 'Enviromentalism' is a misused word to describe domestic terrorism and should be redefined by Webster.

 

[slowp]

I'm pretty sure we could set aside the special areas, and set aside the fragile areas, concentrating logging efforts on the Class I-IV sites with mature timber. First I'd like the FS to get their foresters out there and get an accurate cruise and site designation so we'd have a good workable inventory.

Conservation is noble. 'Enviromentalism' is a misused word to describe domestic terrorism and should be redefined by Webster.

There aren't many foresters left. They've been replaced by wildlife, fish, hydro, geo, and assorted other ologists. There are contractors though.
Contractors cruised some of the sales here.

 

[Ivan H.]

There aren't many foresters left. They've been replaced by wildlife, fish, hydro, geo, and assorted other ologists. There are contractors though.
Contractors cruised some of the sales here.

In California we still have foresters on all timber sales,and write all the harvest plans. flag the the units and even supervise the marking the timber.If there some out their that is'nt doing their job,and they keep making the same mistakes, they got no problem sending down the road.Like bad fallers.

 

[mackinsaw]

Geez, It doesn't even mention the importance of a fresh chew of copenhagen when sizing up a bad one. Obviously no practical experience.

Nah, they just left out the Copenhagen part cause it sucks....I do remember seeing something about Skoal straight though..


Up here Cope is not big, how the hell do you dip that finecut crap anyways?!? It has always blown my mind how anyone likes that beach sand for a dip, I mean the flavoures good but its soooo finecut..

 

[testlight]

Nah, they just left out the Copenhagen part cause it sucks....I do remember seeing something about Skoal straight though..


Up here Cope is not big, how the hell do you dip that finecut crap anyways?!? It has always blown my mind how anyone likes that beach sand for a dip, I mean the flavoures good but its soooo finecut..

Long cut still too fine for you? Poor folks like me have to use generic.....