Timberwolf Verses Super Split process time

[LoggerDoug]

How long does it take to split a cord of wood already cut to no more then 25" in length with a timberwolf tw-p1 which is comparable to the sshd super split, both being horizontal splitters.

any help

It does not have to be a timberwolf, it could be any hydraulic with a 13 second cycle time.

anyone?

I can do it between 15 and 20 minutes with the super split. I have the SSHD but all super splits have 2.5 second cycle time, no matter what model.

 

[LoggerDoug]

for speed ... Super Split will smoke just about any splitter

question is do you want to operate that fast?
personally would not want a piece of gear, that near my hands operating that fast.

also you are comparing the low end timberwolf against supersplit.
that said... loads of folks love their supersplit!!

loads of folks also love their timberwolf... you really can't go wrong with either one.

Thx for the input 046, I am writing an evaluation on the two and for comparison reasons I would like to know if anyone has timed how long it took with the 13 second cycle time, but I suppose I could do the math, of course not everyone works at the same rate.

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[wdchuck]

I'd like to see the setup that allows 4cord an hour, with one man.

Elm, with its cross grain, will cost more time, so will gnarly and crotch wood.

 

[LoggerDoug]

I'd like to see the setup that allows 4cord an hour, with one man.

Elm, with its cross grain, will cost more time, so will gnarly and crotch wood.

I don't have elm here. Mostly just beach, oak, maple, and birch. I do have some narly knotted crotch stuff and it blows right threw it. Non of the wood I have here has challenged it yet.

 

[wkpoor]

About the only real way to compare would be to have the SS and a hydraulic splitter working in the same pile for a couple hours with a good cross section of wood types sizes and grain patterns.
My guess is obviously the SS would be way faster in the straight grain but maybe slower in the stringy Elm and crotches.
22GPM on a 3" cylinder would be very close to the same speed and power of a SS.

 

[wdchuck]

Local competitor and I did the math. He averages 250 pieces in a 1/3 cord.

750 pieces in a cord....for example

3second cycle time....

20 pieces per minute...not possible in this scenario.

750 divided by 20 equals 38 minutes.


High speed volume requires multi-way wedge.

 

[triptester]

The Super Split will have an advantage over a hydraulic splitter to a point. A fast cycle hydraulic splitter with a 4-way wedge can be just as fast with less operator effort. The Super Split due to it's design is limited in the size of wood it can split.
A hydraulic splitter in a similar price range can be equipted with log lift which would allow greater capacity. The hydraulic may not be as fast as the SS but it is more versatile.
I remember reading about an AS member with a firewood business that uses both. The hydraulic for big wood and the SS for small wood and resplits.

 

[STLfirewood]

Super splitter is not limited to block size. It's limited to what you can lift. It will split whatever you out up there. We loaded 30" plus elm on mine with a front loader. It split them. It didn't like it but split them anyway. When your going for production the SS is the best machine hands down. I can get over 2 cord on a tank of fuel. It's not even a gallon. My cords have about 960 pieces in them. There is a reason you don't see SS for sale used. When people buy them they keep them.


Scott

 

[sawinredneck]

The SS is an awsome machine for sure, I'm not going to bad mouth it, but you are not comparing apples to apples here.
A 3 second cycle time will kill a 13 second cycle time, but you have to factor in the wood.
I want a SS but I deal with variates of wood I don't think it will like. If all I did was Oak, Walnut etc, nice straight grain wood, no problem. But you start getting into Hedge and Elm it's going to take longer than the 3 second time, you will have to hit it multiple times to get it to split and even then you may have to throw a lot of wood off. Even with a hyd. splitter you have to choose your battles. Is it worth spending twenty min jacking around with it or kick it off and get wood split? I would think you would have to make that choice more often with the SS on gnarly wood.
Just my thoughts.

 

[HARRY BARKER]

The SS is an awsome machine for sure, I'm not going to bad mouth it, but you are not comparing apples to apples here.
A 3 second cycle time will kill a 13 second cycle time, but you have to factor in the wood.
I want a SS but I deal with variates of wood I don't think it will like. If all I did was Oak, Walnut etc, nice straight grain wood, no problem. But you start getting into Hedge and Elm it's going to take longer than the 3 second time, you will have to hit it multiple times to get it to split and even then you may have to throw a lot of wood off. Even with a hyd. splitter you have to choose your battles. Is it worth spending twenty min jacking around with it or kick it off and get wood split? I would think you would have to make that choice more often with the SS on gnarly wood.
Just my thoughts.

hmmmm........ if you had a ss with a sharp wedge i dont think you would be saying that.

 

[bigden]

tw-p1

tw-p1 with 4 way is faster than handling a stick:greenchainsaw: of wood four times to get the same results come on guys don't give into the hip faster is not always the answer when it comes to a 4 way. 4 ways are always faster and the least you have to put your hands on the wood is always less labor. labor =money

 

[sawinredneck]

Play with some Hedge and Siberian Elm then get back to me.

 

[STLfirewood]

4-way or not I would split a lot more wood with a SS then a TW-1 or TW-2 in the same amount of time. Might be more work but it would be faster. Ever see anyone take a drink of any kind of beverage while working a SS. You see that and people sitting on chairs while working hydraulic splitters. I'm not saying that Timberwolfe doesn't make a good product because they do. Like Redneck said if a block doesn;t want to split kick it to the side and get another. Why waste 5 minutes to split a block when you could have split 5-10 in the same time.

Scott

 

[wkpoor]

One thing I can't figure out is I have never heard of or read of anyone that wasn't delighted with their SS. So why hasn't the SS (Kenetic energy splitter)nearly replaced the hydraulic splitter? I really want to try one but won't buy one till I try it first. Anybody in central Ohio have one?

 

[CUCV]

How many cords a day can you do at 15-20 min a cord? Since I do 16" wood and split it small I haven't been able to get thru that much wood that fast. I've done a 16" cord in just over a half hour but I can constantly do 8 cord a day.
I split a ton of elm last year with the SS, yes its slower but does just fine, I quartered most of it with the saw just to lift it. Most 13 sec. hydraulic splitters won't have 13 sec. cycle time in elm when they kick down to 2.5gpm.

I can't wait to get a 4 way on my SS!

This is a little video of my SS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoIkEBKmQ5k

 

[AKKAMAAN]

This is a little video of my SS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoIkEBKmQ5k

Great video and good work splitting!


Q's and A's:
Stalling? NO!
Overheating? NO!
Leaking? NO!
Troubleshooting? NO!
Fill fuel every now and then? NO!
Have to wait for splitter to get done?? NO!
Have to deal with "Speeco" warranty claims? NO!
Any real competitors on the one way wedge splitter market? NO!

Curious about a 4 way wedge SS? Oh yea!

What is best alternative for the money? 49$ plus change for a Fiskars SS!!

opcorn:

 

[m44]

Super splitters are awesome, the guy I cut would with bought one. He kept the hydrailic for big stuff we never bother to use it the ss can go through it fine.

 

[LoggerDoug]

Any of you guys have the super split that you modified with a hitch to tow behind an ATV?

If so, got any pics so I can see your craftsmanship?

 

[brushbandit]

How many cords a day can you do at 15-20 min a cord? Since I do 16" wood and split it small I haven't been able to get thru that much wood that fast. I've done a 16" cord in just over a half hour but I can constantly do 8 cord a day.
I split a ton of elm last year with the SS, yes its slower but does just fine, I quartered most of it with the saw just to lift it. Most 13 sec. hydraulic splitters won't have 13 sec. cycle time in elm when they kick down to 2.5gpm.

I can't wait to get a 4 way on my SS!

This is a little video of my SS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoIkEBKmQ5k

The super split looks great if all your wood is straight 16"-18" dia logs. On second thought maybe it isn't so good. I can turn those logs into firewood with one pass on my TW-5 with a 6-way wedge. Let's see, one 9 second pass or five 3.5 second passes. I'll stick with my TW-5 with a log lift, especially for those 28" dia. Oak logs.

 

[LoggerDoug]

The super split looks great if all your wood is straight 16"-18" dia logs. On second thought maybe it isn't so good. I can turn those logs into firewood with one pass on my TW-5 with a 6-way wedge. Let's see, one 9 second pass or five 3.5 second passes. I'll stick with my TW-5 with a log lift, especially for those 28" dia. Oak logs.

we are talking about similar splitters in the two series. The TW-5 is over $6000. and it's a 10 second cycle as advertised on the timberwolfs web site not 9, and the super split is 2.5 seconds as advertised on super splits web site not 3.5 not many guys on here are buying a tw-5, I don't think.