TreeAce
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Where is Hicksville? I would assume it's near WV....LOL:hmm3grin2orange: OMG I crack myself up.....sorry man. But seriously....where abouts are u in the buckeye state?
Today's youth!
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OLYMPYC
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up in the nw corner of the state, 1.5hrs from toledo ohio and 25min from ft wayne indiana, basically i can be in indiana in 2min and michigan in 35min.
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Here anything less than $15 hour you are either hiring trouble or someone that will be leaving once they latch on to someone paying more.
I am glad I do not have to pay that $189 in health care premiums directly! And my taxes are about 27% as well.
My first job in Montreal paid $2.40 an hour in the summer of 1975, and I joined the Forces two years after that for the princely sum of $365 a month. After my taxes, rations and quarters were paid for I had $90 twice a month for a pay cheque. But as someone else pointed out, I recall beer was .25 or thereabouts at the time.
I am glad I do not have to pay that $189 in health care premiums directly! And my taxes are about 27% as well.
My first job in Montreal paid $2.40 an hour in the summer of 1975, and I joined the Forces two years after that for the princely sum of $365 a month. After my taxes, rations and quarters were paid for I had $90 twice a month for a pay cheque. But as someone else pointed out, I recall beer was .25 or thereabouts at the time.
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In my opinion a lot of the unrealistic wage expectations of many youth come from the high tech outfits like EA (Electronic Arts), Microsoft, Apple etc, where kids right out of school (who have the talent) start at $80K+ and have all these pimped up places to work. You've seen the pictures, the pool tables, video games, basketball hoops etc etc etc.
That's where all the highly motivated youth are going. 30-40 years ago, they may have headed into the tree biz, but post-secondary education is a way more accessible now.
That's where all the highly motivated youth are going. 30-40 years ago, they may have headed into the tree biz, but post-secondary education is a way more accessible now.
mr. holden wood
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We take applications all the time. I have noticed that alot of our youth is thinking they are worth more than 15 bucks an hour. I remember my first job was $1.90 an hour and I got a raise to $2.10 an hour and thout I was doing good. These kids today think they are deserving. You are dragging brush and cannot even back a chipper to the site and you want $15 an hour? After a little talk, I might hire him at $9.50. Bet he take's it. Any you guy's understand?
Jeff
Nine fifty an hour would be fair in Somalia for a groundsman. San Diego is the eighth biggest city in America with a very high cost of living. Why would anyone risk there life, do extremely strenuous manual labor and be responsible for someones life for nine fifty an hour. Im constally amazed why owner/operators complain about finding good groundsman yet are only willing to pay minimum wage.
ArborCore
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You are dragging brush and cannot even back a chipper to the site and you want $15 an hour? After a little talk, I might hire him at $9.50. Bet he take's it. Any you guy's understand?
Jeff
Cost of living must b a lot higher there in Cali... I climb everyday for $15 - $25/hr. don't work by the hour though,l that's just what the math works out to at the moment...
ArborCore
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NE Ohio Olympyc... doesn't the tree svc. industry in ohio SUCK... lets all petition for manditory licensing, registration, & certifications... (Agree/Disagree) ?
DangerTree
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I am the owner of Danger Tree Service and in the winter up here work is thin. I don't take the winter off I try and get work on the rigs ( which is what I am doing right now in Edmonton) because I can make better money than sitting around. And that is the main difference, if you want to make 15 bucks an hour go for it. Why not make some real money for the slow season be a man bust some ass on the rigs. They are hiring strongly this year $5000 every two weeks plus 150 a day living out allowance and thats to start (lease hand). It aint rocket science you just have to want to work. HARD That seems to be what this young high tech generation lacks, good work ethics. They need a gym and games room oh yeah what about the nappy thing some companies are doing! What a crock a s..t that is!
OLYMPYC
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yeah it sucks, theres only a few small mills around here, if i could find a decent paying job id move me my fiance and our son in a heart beat, ohio is goin down hill fast but i guess so is the rest of the us........
TreeAce
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Be careful what you wish for .What you are suggesting could work against you IMO.The more overhead a company has the tougher it is to pay well . Registering with cities already costs me plenty !
TreeClimber57
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Actually it is the 6th largest in America according to online stats ..and 15th largest in North America.
But your point is well taken.
I guess the issue is.. owners don't necessarily want to be cheap (some might)..
But.. they have overhead costs (vehicles, equipment, maintenance, insurance, WSIB, taxes, telephone, etc, etc) and they have sometimes unforeseen expenses beyond those.
If they want to bid a job and actually get work.. then there is only so much room in the equation to pay the workers. Believe me, I have seen jobs where the climber had more out of it at the end of the day than did I.. Now that is not the norm.. but *&%$ happens. (in fact if you added in the extra hours at shop, working on books, etc.. then a good climber can likely beat me many days ! )
It is easy to complain when you don't see the expenses.. but sometimes taking home a paycheck without the added costs and headaches is worthwhile.
TreeClimber57
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Could go either way. May make your overhead even higher..
May get rid of some hacks.. but then who is to say that they still will not exist illegally? If somebody hires them.. pays them cash.. who is going to know. Ok some may get caught.. but it won't necessarily improve the overall situation.
On the other hand, over regulation by somebody sitting behind a desk can cause a whole lot of new issues you never even dreamed about. A lot of regulations are made by folks who never did the job, and frankly do not have a clue on how to regulate it properly.
ArborCore
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Valid point... maybe a tree svc union is what we need. I'd start one, but don't feel like going down like Jimmy Hoffa.
Yup, and figure you get to the yard at 6:30am and load up. Leave for the job about 6:45am and get on our Cali hiways and get to the job at 8:15-8:30am and take and hour lunch from 10:30 to 11:30 and leave the job by 2pm to be back in the yard by 3pm. How many hours are you working? They get 8 hours every day and time starts and ends at the yard.
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I pay my guys from time we leave the yard and when we are done with the last job. We stop and have a beer once in a while. I have to pick up one and drop him off too, no DL. He is a good climber and worker.
Alrighty then, cool. Except, I don't have a beer with the guy's. It's kinda weird, I have a guy (foreman, isa cert. arb, tcia ctsp, and have known for 23 year's). I was a contract climber then (we like to call it 'free-lance'), I kinda stayed around and became his foreman in 1987. We hooked back up a few years ago and now he works for us and is our safety guy. I am CTSP also, but he is who holds our safety meetings every week. We used to party together long ago , but now it's like we only want to see each other at work, not socially. I guess what I am saying is having a beer with your guy's could leave you vulnerable.
Jeff
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Alrighty then, cool. Except, I don't have a beer with the guy's. It's kinda weird, I have a guy (foreman, isa cert. arb, tcia ctsp, and have known for 23 year's). I was a contract climber then (we like to call it 'free-lance'), I kinda stayed around and became his foreman in 1987. We hooked back up a few years ago and now he works for us and is our safety guy. I am CTSP also, but he is who holds our safety meetings every week. We used to party together long ago , but now it's like we only want to see each other at work, not socially. I guess what I am saying is having a beer with your guy's could leave you vulnerable.
Jeff
Ya I see what you mean.
freeweight
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considering tree work is one of the most dangerous jobs in the world ....$15??
is that with health insurance,hope so
think of what your life is worth before saying what sombody should get helping YOU make money....
like the gy said about living in todays world expenses etc 15$ isnt much at all
my uncle who used to be at the top of alot of companies list for who they wanted to climb for them, looked into a job with a large tree company/lineclearer and considering he had over 20 years of experience climbing and with tree service in general got offered a LAUGHABLE amount from them
is that with health insurance,hope so
think of what your life is worth before saying what sombody should get helping YOU make money....
like the gy said about living in todays world expenses etc 15$ isnt much at all
my uncle who used to be at the top of alot of companies list for who they wanted to climb for them, looked into a job with a large tree company/lineclearer and considering he had over 20 years of experience climbing and with tree service in general got offered a LAUGHABLE amount from them
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Most I ever made in this biz was $12 an hour, which is part of the reason I moved on. And I had a drivers' license, my own vehicle, much of my own equipment, was not a drunk or a drug user, and showed up on time, unlike MANY of the people I worked with!
I would not work for someone that did not pay start/end at the yard. What if you had a bad accident while on the road, with ie driving or as a pax in their vehicle?? You would be out of luck with comp for that!
Someone here offered me the princely sum of $13 an hour and I went to another industry and got $17.50. But someone must be hiring on at those wages (ie drunks, druggies, welfare cases and retards), otherwise they would not be offering them.
I would not work for someone that did not pay start/end at the yard. What if you had a bad accident while on the road, with ie driving or as a pax in their vehicle?? You would be out of luck with comp for that!
Someone here offered me the princely sum of $13 an hour and I went to another industry and got $17.50. But someone must be hiring on at those wages (ie drunks, druggies, welfare cases and retards), otherwise they would not be offering them.
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